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> Why can’t Hey offer a mobile web version of their app? No. Apple has crippled the Progress Web Apps on iOS safari. No email client is useful without push not

by rydre 6y ago

> Why can’t Hey offer a mobile web version of their app? No. Apple has crippled the Progress Web Apps on iOS safari. No email client is useful without push notifications. All other browser on iOS (including Chrome and Firefox) are wrappers around Safari, because Apple restricts other browser engines i.e: Chromium, Firefox. Look at how many requests for new features/API's are there on the WebKit forms. Apple choses to ignore them because if Apple were to really support PWA's properly, this situation wouldn't have happened. Apple also randomly clears storage for website added to homescreen and there is a limit of only 50mb. Apps like Gmail cache data on the scale of 600mb to several GB.

alberth 6y ago
Again, devils advocate. But push notification absolutely kills your battery. Back to point number 1, user experience. It’s not a good user experience if your iPhone lasts only 2 hours because push notifications kill your battery.
- rydre 6y ago
  > But push notification absolutely kills your battery. No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS). Do you even know what you're talking about? If you don't want push notifications, fine. But don't force your opinion on the rest of us who want them. No email client is useful without them. You're arguments are honestly ridiculous at this point. All other apps are killed in background after 20s on iOS. I have push notifications "on" on my iPhone and my battery is fine. Now stop playing devil's advocate, because the devil really is guilty in this case. It's Apple.
  - zimpenfish 6y ago
    > Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS) They can still wake up your phone when they're delivered and that will drain battery. https://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/maximizing-performance/ https://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/maximizing-performance/ * If an app frequently wakes your display with notifications, you can turn off push notifications for the app in Settings > Notifications. Tap the app and set Allow Notifications to Off. > No email client is useful without them. I've had an iPhone for 10 years now and I've never had push notifications on for the 5 email accounts on there. Mind you, my battery isn't fine because the phone gets used a lot and that's what kills batteries quick.
    - rydre 6y ago
      >I've had an iPhone for 10 years now and I've never had push notifications on for the 5 email accounts on there. Mind you, my battery isn't fine because the phone gets used a lot and that's what kills batteries quick. You are a unique/minority case. The vast majority of the population that uses emails prefers notification for important mails.
      - Razengan 6y ago
        > The vast majority of the population that uses emails prefers notification for important mails. Do you have a source for that?
  - alberth 6y ago
    > No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS). Do you even know what you're talking about? I’ll just leave you this post on battery drain from push notifications. https://www.quora.com/Why-do-push-app-notifications-drain-battery-life-quickly https://www.quora.com/Why-do-push-app-notifications-drain-ba...
    - fossuser 6y ago
      This is kind of a straw man? Push notifications don't really affect battery that much to be noticeable, and even if they did that's only one of many reasons why native apps are better.
rydre 6y ago
@alberth > only 2 hours because push notifications kill your battery. No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service. Do you even know what you're talking about? If you don't want push notifications, fine. But don't force your opinion on the rest of us who want them. No email client is useful without them. You're arguments are honestly ridiculous at this point.

by rydre 6y ago

alberth 6y ago

Again, devils advocate. But push notification absolutely kills your battery. Back to point number 1, user experience. It’s not a good user experience if your iPhone lasts only 2 hours because push notifications kill your battery.

rydre 6y ago
> But push notification absolutely kills your battery. No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS). Do you even know what you're talking about? If you don't want push notifications, fine. But don't force your opinion on the rest of us who want them. No email client is useful without them. You're arguments are honestly ridiculous at this point. All other apps are killed in background after 20s on iOS. I have push notifications "on" on my iPhone and my battery is fine. Now stop playing devil's advocate, because the devil really is guilty in this case. It's Apple.
- zimpenfish 6y ago
  > Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS) They can still wake up your phone when they're delivered and that will drain battery. https://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/maximizing-performance/ https://www.apple.com/uk/batteries/maximizing-performance/ * If an app frequently wakes your display with notifications, you can turn off push notifications for the app in Settings > Notifications. Tap the app and set Allow Notifications to Off. > No email client is useful without them. I've had an iPhone for 10 years now and I've never had push notifications on for the 5 email accounts on there. Mind you, my battery isn't fine because the phone gets used a lot and that's what kills batteries quick.
  - rydre 6y ago
    >I've had an iPhone for 10 years now and I've never had push notifications on for the 5 email accounts on there. Mind you, my battery isn't fine because the phone gets used a lot and that's what kills batteries quick. You are a unique/minority case. The vast majority of the population that uses emails prefers notification for important mails.
    - Razengan 6y ago
      > The vast majority of the population that uses emails prefers notification for important mails. Do you have a source for that?
- alberth 6y ago
  > No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service (APNS). Do you even know what you're talking about? I’ll just leave you this post on battery drain from push notifications. https://www.quora.com/Why-do-push-app-notifications-drain-battery-life-quickly https://www.quora.com/Why-do-push-app-notifications-drain-ba...
  - fossuser 6y ago
    This is kind of a straw man? Push notifications don't really affect battery that much to be noticeable, and even if they did that's only one of many reasons why native apps are better.

rydre 6y ago

@alberth > only 2 hours because push notifications kill your battery. No they don't. Push notifications are managed by a push service like Firebase messaging or Apple Push Notification Service. Do you even know what you're talking about? If you don't want push notifications, fine. But don't force your opinion on the rest of us who want them. No email client is useful without them. You're arguments are honestly ridiculous at this point.