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https://imgur.com/Z8AICes https://imgur.com/Z8AICes Plenty of ambiguity there. I think you may need to evaluate what your motivation is to need to keep disbel

https://imgur.com/Z8AICes https://imgur.com/Z8AICes Plenty of ambiguity there. I think you may need to evaluate what your motivation is to need to keep disbelieving that racist dogwhistles can actually be ambiguous, especially considering they are that way by design.

mcphage 6y ago
You just linked to a picture of a tattoo of the number 1488... I don’t see any ambiguity. Did you intend to link to a different picture?
- bduerst 6y ago
  A tattoo of just 1488, without any racist symbology, is ambiguous. There is nothing to make it distinctive from any other number. Help me understand what you think an ambigous tattoo of 1488 should look like?
  - mcphage 6y ago
    Well, along the lines of counting the number of words in a tweet, maybe 14 stars? And then chains, where the linked chains look kinda like 8s? Something where the 14 and 88 are present, but not obvious unless you think to look for them.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we-must-secure-border-and-build-wall-make-america-safe-again https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we-must-secure-border-an... is a good example of plausible deniability. Fourteen word headline, starting with "We must secure..." Was it intentional? No one will likely ever know.
      - mcphage 6y ago
        So there's two separate things being talked about: 1. Is it intentional? 2. Is it a dog whistle? So for instance, the fact that there were 88 Facebook ads. Was that intentional? Most likely. Is it a dogwhistle? Not really, because even people who see the ads have no idea how many ads there were. Even if you're the person who the dogwhistle is for, how do you find that signal? It really doesn't count as anything more than sad, racist mental masturbation. Now, take the press release that you shared. Is it intentional? 100%. Is it a dogwhistle? Almost definitely. While most people won't count the # of words in the title, the fact that it starts with the same 3 words "We Must Secure" will tip off people who want to look for the 14 words, and hint that there's something else there. (Really, same 4 words, but those 3 are the ones that count). Hell, even if it wasn't 14 words, starting it with "We Must Secure" is probably enough. Do they have plausible deniability? Well, in the sense that you can't prove what goes on in their head—but nobody is under any illusions about what they're trying to do, and nobody believed their claims of innocence.
      - steffandroid 6y ago
        > On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum. Why use 88 rather than 100 to illustrate this statistic?
    - bduerst 6y ago
      You still didn't answer the question.
      - mcphage 6y ago
        Which question didn’t I answer? You asked what an ambiguous tattoo of 1488 might look like, and I offered a possibility.

mcphage 6y ago

You just linked to a picture of a tattoo of the number 1488... I don’t see any ambiguity. Did you intend to link to a different picture?

bduerst 6y ago
A tattoo of just 1488, without any racist symbology, is ambiguous. There is nothing to make it distinctive from any other number. Help me understand what you think an ambigous tattoo of 1488 should look like?
- mcphage 6y ago
  Well, along the lines of counting the number of words in a tweet, maybe 14 stars? And then chains, where the linked chains look kinda like 8s? Something where the 14 and 88 are present, but not obvious unless you think to look for them.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we-must-secure-border-and-build-wall-make-america-safe-again https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/we-must-secure-border-an... is a good example of plausible deniability. Fourteen word headline, starting with "We must secure..." Was it intentional? No one will likely ever know.
    - mcphage 6y ago
      So there's two separate things being talked about: 1. Is it intentional? 2. Is it a dog whistle? So for instance, the fact that there were 88 Facebook ads. Was that intentional? Most likely. Is it a dogwhistle? Not really, because even people who see the ads have no idea how many ads there were. Even if you're the person who the dogwhistle is for, how do you find that signal? It really doesn't count as anything more than sad, racist mental masturbation. Now, take the press release that you shared. Is it intentional? 100%. Is it a dogwhistle? Almost definitely. While most people won't count the # of words in the title, the fact that it starts with the same 3 words "We Must Secure" will tip off people who want to look for the 14 words, and hint that there's something else there. (Really, same 4 words, but those 3 are the ones that count). Hell, even if it wasn't 14 words, starting it with "We Must Secure" is probably enough. Do they have plausible deniability? Well, in the sense that you can't prove what goes on in their head—but nobody is under any illusions about what they're trying to do, and nobody believed their claims of innocence.
    - steffandroid 6y ago
      > On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum. Why use 88 rather than 100 to illustrate this statistic?
  - bduerst 6y ago
    You still didn't answer the question.
    - mcphage 6y ago
      Which question didn’t I answer? You asked what an ambiguous tattoo of 1488 might look like, and I offered a possibility.