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Things We Love About Java

36 points by satrap92 6y ago

dimes 6y ago
Java and Kotlin are both great languages. I do wish it was simple to build / run like Go though. Dealing with gradle is a huge pain. The only reason I use Go over Kotlin for personal projects is that setting up and maintaining a gradle project is quite a chore.
- kitd 6y ago
  Go is the most practical language for professional development out there atm IMHO, especially for larger projects. The language has it's quirks and Java's ecosystem is insanely huge, but Go hits the sweet spot between time-to-value, "SO-searchability", and performant end-result.
- oweiler 6y ago
  Just use Maven. Works very well w/ Kotlin.
  - blandflakes 6y ago
    Maven is IMO the best choice for Java and Kotlin, but even maven is stupidly complex. It's sort of maddening that all JVM languages seem to suffer from clunky build tooling, though I'm certainly glad that they work as well as they do.
    - hackerm0nkey 6y ago
      I like the stability of Maven, despite XML and people complaining about it's complexity, I just find it stable enough and does the job quite well. For one of my clients, we created lots of similar microservices, similar setup but slightly differ. What I did was creating a template using maven archetypes so spinning up a new microservice for a new piece of work or simply to try something out or an ad-hoc job is a matter of seconds, so setup time is stopped being a hindrance to start something new. Also these days there are quite few tooling that supports project generators which can give you a bit of setup to start from.
foobar_ 6y ago
Java is definitely not free. https://blog.joda.org/2018/09/do-not-fall-into-oracles-java-11-trap.html https://blog.joda.org/2018/09/do-not-fall-into-oracles-java-...
- outadoc 6y ago
  The article specifically mentions Java 11. I'm sure Jetbrains more than anybody knows about Java's licensing...
  - foobar_ 6y ago
    Oracle is so supportive, free and open that it is suing Google for copying from a free software.
    - outadoc 6y ago
      Don't get me wrong, Oracle sucks, I know—but the article (kind of) acknowledges that and underlines that you don't have to do business with Oracle to use Java.
sorokod 6y ago
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36 points by satrap92 6y ago

Java and Kotlin are both great languages. I do wish it was simple to build / run like Go though. Dealing with gradle is a huge pain. The only reason I use Go over Kotlin for personal projects is that setting up and maintaining a gradle project is quite a chore.

kitd 6y ago
Go is the most practical language for professional development out there atm IMHO, especially for larger projects. The language has it's quirks and Java's ecosystem is insanely huge, but Go hits the sweet spot between time-to-value, "SO-searchability", and performant end-result.
oweiler 6y ago
Just use Maven. Works very well w/ Kotlin.
- blandflakes 6y ago
  Maven is IMO the best choice for Java and Kotlin, but even maven is stupidly complex. It's sort of maddening that all JVM languages seem to suffer from clunky build tooling, though I'm certainly glad that they work as well as they do.
  - hackerm0nkey 6y ago
    I like the stability of Maven, despite XML and people complaining about it's complexity, I just find it stable enough and does the job quite well. For one of my clients, we created lots of similar microservices, similar setup but slightly differ. What I did was creating a template using maven archetypes so spinning up a new microservice for a new piece of work or simply to try something out or an ad-hoc job is a matter of seconds, so setup time is stopped being a hindrance to start something new. Also these days there are quite few tooling that supports project generators which can give you a bit of setup to start from.

foobar_ 6y ago

Java is definitely not free. https://blog.joda.org/2018/09/do-not-fall-into-oracles-java-11-trap.html https://blog.joda.org/2018/09/do-not-fall-into-oracles-java-...

outadoc 6y ago
The article specifically mentions Java 11. I'm sure Jetbrains more than anybody knows about Java's licensing...
- foobar_ 6y ago
  Oracle is so supportive, free and open that it is suing Google for copying from a free software.
  - outadoc 6y ago
    Don't get me wrong, Oracle sucks, I know—but the article (kind of) acknowledges that and underlines that you don't have to do business with Oracle to use Java.

sorokod 6y ago

For free open source binaries: download link: https://adoptopenjdk.net/ https://adoptopenjdk.net/ license link: https://adoptopenjdk.net/about.html https://adoptopenjdk.net/about.html