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An expectation that acceptable deaths/injuries = 0 definitely affects the timeline.

by ponker 6y ago

asdff 6y ago
We haven't won that battle yet. A worker passed away recently at the sofi stadium construction site, due to a miscommunication on maintaining a panel. I don't think preventing this unfortunate death, which would have just required one person mentioning to another that they are working in a particular area, would have added high costs to the build. I'm curious to know the actual costs of worker safety. It's always painted as the boogyman of the high budget project, but how expensive can PPE, building hasty wooden railings, and importantly communicating danger to employees which was the failure in this case really be? I must be missing some key costs here, and would love to be more informed. https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-06-12/attorney-for-ironworker-died-sofi-stadium-fall-says-safety-lapses-contributed https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-06-12/attorney-for...
- chongli 6y ago
  It isn't just worker safety that has improved in the last century, it's the safety of people in the building throughout its life. Building codes have expanded in scope and complexity over the years. Part of their scope includes installation method restricts and worker training and qualifications. The other aspect of it is general workplace safety regulations which have expanded over the years as well. When budgeting a project, you need to consider both, however. And workers also benefit from both. For example, the restriction on the use of asbestos in building insulation was brought in to reduce the health hazards of living or working in such a building but the construction workers handling the asbestos are clearly the most at-risk group which benefits from the regulation.
- jkhdigital 6y ago
  Safety is waaaay more about worksite practices and culture than how much you spent on safety equipment. Source: I worked on a deployed aircraft carrier, one of the most dangerous workplaces in the world.
- makomk 6y ago
  Any solution to safety problems that relies on people just never making a mistake ever isn't realistically a solution at all. What you need is some process to ensure that when work like this is carried out, the area is appropriately marked as unsafe, and processes add cost. In this case, safety would probably have dictated not carrying out the work on top of the roof whilst the work underneath was in progress due to the risk of them misjudging where the weak area started and falling through, potentially blowing up the schedule or even meaning workers were paid to stand around doing nothing, which adds more cost.

An expectation that acceptable deaths/injuries = 0 definitely affects the timeline.

by ponker 6y ago

An expectation that acceptable deaths/injuries = 0 definitely affects the timeline.

We haven't won that battle yet. A worker passed away recently at the sofi stadium construction site, due to a miscommunication on maintaining a panel. I don't think preventing this unfortunate death, which would have just required one person mentioning to another that they are working in a particular area, would have added high costs to the build. I'm curious to know the actual costs of worker safety. It's always painted as the boogyman of the high budget project, but how expensive can PPE, building hasty wooden railings, and importantly communicating danger to employees which was the failure in this case really be? I must be missing some key costs here, and would love to be more informed. https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-06-12/attorney-for-ironworker-died-sofi-stadium-fall-says-safety-lapses-contributed https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-06-12/attorney-for...

chongli 6y ago
It isn't just worker safety that has improved in the last century, it's the safety of people in the building throughout its life. Building codes have expanded in scope and complexity over the years. Part of their scope includes installation method restricts and worker training and qualifications. The other aspect of it is general workplace safety regulations which have expanded over the years as well. When budgeting a project, you need to consider both, however. And workers also benefit from both. For example, the restriction on the use of asbestos in building insulation was brought in to reduce the health hazards of living or working in such a building but the construction workers handling the asbestos are clearly the most at-risk group which benefits from the regulation.
jkhdigital 6y ago
Safety is waaaay more about worksite practices and culture than how much you spent on safety equipment. Source: I worked on a deployed aircraft carrier, one of the most dangerous workplaces in the world.
makomk 6y ago
Any solution to safety problems that relies on people just never making a mistake ever isn't realistically a solution at all. What you need is some process to ensure that when work like this is carried out, the area is appropriately marked as unsafe, and processes add cost. In this case, safety would probably have dictated not carrying out the work on top of the roof whilst the work underneath was in progress due to the risk of them misjudging where the weak area started and falling through, potentially blowing up the schedule or even meaning workers were paid to stand around doing nothing, which adds more cost.