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If one is able to install software without going into the App Store, then one is also liable to be socially engineered into installing software from outside the

If one is able to install software without going into the App Store, then one is also liable to be socially engineered into installing software from outside the App Store. No thanks. Keep iPhones in their walled gardens where they are safe. Androids exist for experimentation.

pcwalton 6y ago
This IAP policy has nothing to do with security though.
- benologist 6y ago
  And the many stores we can trust are more important than hypothetical abusers. Hypothetical abusers can be addressed in other ways, for instance Microsoft shuts down malicious servers and entities using lawyers and law enforcement.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Law enforcement will do a lot of good if the author isn’t in the US....
- csunbird 6y ago
  There is. By only allowing purchases by in app purchases, Apple can force the app developers to be fair in their return/refund processes. There are tons of scummy companies and developers want to take money from the customer and not return it if the customer is unhappy or even when they are exercising their legal rights and hope the customers to not bother for their 1 to 5$ purchase. Believe me, the rules do make sense.
ProAm 6y ago
> No thanks. Keep iPhones in their walled gardens where they are safe. Androids exist for experimentation. That's fine too, don't strong arm me out of 30% while letting others get away with no paying that. Some people want a walled garden (you) and dont mind paying for it, others would like to install software of their choosing without letting Apple know what they install and by who.
- epanchin 6y ago
  If there’s an option to opt out of the walled garden, people will be fooled into taking it. There is no way to differentiate between you, who wants to install what they wish, and those people that believe it is really Apple cold calling them. Apple is not a monopoly, so I feel their attitude here is fair.
  - chacha2 6y ago
    Apple is based in a country that allows you to buy firearms in your local grocery store.

pcwalton 6y ago

This IAP policy has nothing to do with security though.

benologist 6y ago
And the many stores we can trust are more important than hypothetical abusers. Hypothetical abusers can be addressed in other ways, for instance Microsoft shuts down malicious servers and entities using lawyers and law enforcement.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Law enforcement will do a lot of good if the author isn’t in the US....
csunbird 6y ago
There is. By only allowing purchases by in app purchases, Apple can force the app developers to be fair in their return/refund processes. There are tons of scummy companies and developers want to take money from the customer and not return it if the customer is unhappy or even when they are exercising their legal rights and hope the customers to not bother for their 1 to 5$ purchase. Believe me, the rules do make sense.

ProAm 6y ago

> No thanks. Keep iPhones in their walled gardens where they are safe. Androids exist for experimentation. That's fine too, don't strong arm me out of 30% while letting others get away with no paying that. Some people want a walled garden (you) and dont mind paying for it, others would like to install software of their choosing without letting Apple know what they install and by who.

epanchin 6y ago
If there’s an option to opt out of the walled garden, people will be fooled into taking it. There is no way to differentiate between you, who wants to install what they wish, and those people that believe it is really Apple cold calling them. Apple is not a monopoly, so I feel their attitude here is fair.
- chacha2 6y ago
  Apple is based in a country that allows you to buy firearms in your local grocery store.