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Did they stockpile PPE? It's proven effective for this pandemic and many other situations; however the feds let the stockpile dwindle for no good reason.

thu2111 6y ago
I thought the jury was still out on masks at least. The WHO keeps changing its mind about them, as do other governments.
- pnutjam 6y ago
  It's not, nobody is changing their mind. There were some efforts to reserve masks for front line medical workers. That muddied the issue, but masks protect you from spreading a sickness you may now know you have and provide a minimal amount of protection from catching covid-19.
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Nobody is changing their mind? That's obviously nonsense. There have been so many reversals it made the news. https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/who-reverses-position-on-face-masks-as-coronavirus-cases-climb/ https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/who-reverses-position-on-face-... Different authorities can't even agree: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-offer-conflicting-advice-masks-expert-tells-us/story?id=70958380 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-offer-conflicting-advice-m... The mask situation is absurd, one more failure on top of so many others for the global health establishment.
    - pnutjam 6y ago
      Wrong! https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-masks-question-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-m... The masks were alway recommended to slow transmission.
      - thu2111 6y ago
        By whom do you think they were always recommended? Because that absolutely hasn't been true for the WHO and CDC, as the links I already gave you show. The WHO has changed its position on masks, and has been in conflict with the CDC on the same topic. That video you linked to doesn't in any way disagree with anything I've said, nor rebut the point. In fact it supports it. It's just a video of Anthony Fauci talking about why he changed his position on masks: without admitting to it directly, he 'explains' that he wanted to ensure medical workers had access to them. But he is on record as having recommended against masks in the past. Here's Snopes saying so: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-need... In the March 2020 clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people SHOULD NOT BE walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.” (my caps) https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502890-fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c... He also acknowledged that masks were initially NOT RECOMMENDED to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE. (my caps) Now many countries have introduced face mask requirements (which is dumb, but clearly a change of position). Not only has mask advice changed but it's changed for dumb reasons: there's no scientific evidence masks work to stop SARS-CoV-2 transmission, especially not the cloth masks being actually deployed. This article investigates what's really known about this tactic: https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6-does-wearing-a-mask-do-anything/ https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6...

thu2111 6y ago

I thought the jury was still out on masks at least. The WHO keeps changing its mind about them, as do other governments.

pnutjam 6y ago
It's not, nobody is changing their mind. There were some efforts to reserve masks for front line medical workers. That muddied the issue, but masks protect you from spreading a sickness you may now know you have and provide a minimal amount of protection from catching covid-19.
- thu2111 6y ago
  Nobody is changing their mind? That's obviously nonsense. There have been so many reversals it made the news. https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/who-reverses-position-on-face-masks-as-coronavirus-cases-climb/ https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/who-reverses-position-on-face-... Different authorities can't even agree: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-offer-conflicting-advice-masks-expert-tells-us/story?id=70958380 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-offer-conflicting-advice-m... The mask situation is absurd, one more failure on top of so many others for the global health establishment.
  - pnutjam 6y ago
    Wrong! https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-masks-question-vpx.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/23/anthony-fauci-m... The masks were alway recommended to slow transmission.
    - thu2111 6y ago
      By whom do you think they were always recommended? Because that absolutely hasn't been true for the WHO and CDC, as the links I already gave you show. The WHO has changed its position on masks, and has been in conflict with the CDC on the same topic. That video you linked to doesn't in any way disagree with anything I've said, nor rebut the point. In fact it supports it. It's just a video of Anthony Fauci talking about why he changed his position on masks: without admitting to it directly, he 'explains' that he wanted to ensure medical workers had access to them. But he is on record as having recommended against masks in the past. Here's Snopes saying so: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-need... In the March 2020 clip, Fauci said: “Right now in the United States people SHOULD NOT BE walking around with masks … You should think of healthcare providers who are needing them and the people who are ill.” (my caps) https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502890-fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c... He also acknowledged that masks were initially NOT RECOMMENDED to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE. (my caps) Now many countries have introduced face mask requirements (which is dumb, but clearly a change of position). Not only has mask advice changed but it's changed for dumb reasons: there's no scientific evidence masks work to stop SARS-CoV-2 transmission, especially not the cloth masks being actually deployed. This article investigates what's really known about this tactic: https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6-does-wearing-a-mask-do-anything/ https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6...