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Nothing pisses me off like getting a message that some website only supports Chrome in 2020

by non-entity 6y ago

cglace 6y ago
The one that drives me crazy are websites that say they only support safari on iOS... It’s all safari under the hood.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  Safari on iOs is a bit special. Some features are missing compared to the Mac version. You also need quite a few safari ios specific code if you want to build a web app. But this is a bit broken since Apple wants you to publish to the appstore and not release web apps anymore. You also need a Mac to debug safari on iOs. I hate Safari.
  - orev 6y ago
    The point being made is that if you use Chrome or Firefox on IOS, it’s still actually the Safari engine.
    - naugtur 6y ago
      Actually, it's less than that. Safari doesn't share some of the features. IIRC one if them is service workers.
  - robertoandred 6y ago
    If anything, the Mac version is missing features compared to the iOS version...
  - jimmaswell 6y ago
    Special is right. It's full of non-standard behavior I've had the pain of fixing because you need to target iOS, e.g. needing Safari-specific attributes to capture scrolling in a modal.
  - black3r 6y ago
    You don't need a mac to debug safari on iOS. There is remotedebug-ios-webkit-adapter. You need a Mac to debug Safari on Mac. Maybe that's the reason why some people only support Safari on iOS.
    - deleted 6y ago
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- johncolanduoni 6y ago
  Yes but a number of features are disabled or buggy on third party browsers that use WKWebView or UIWebView (i.e. basically all of them). A particularly nasty one I ran into once was navigator.sendBeacon being completely broken with HTTPS urls: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51844586/navigator-sendbeacon-on-iphone-chrome-not-posting-to-secure-websites https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51844586/navigator-sendb...
  - cglace 6y ago
    I can assure you that these websites are not using any fancy features.
abjKT26nO8 6y ago
At work we're forced to use a service for exchanging files where uploading a file is only possible in Chrome, but downloading a file is sometimes only possible in Firefox. Pinnacle of UX.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  We need an app that abstracts away the browser / browser engine, and just presents a working website to the user, probably without ads.
  - samoa42 6y ago
    go ahead, make my day!
- ratww 6y ago
  They're definitely doing their part to maintain diversity in the browser engine ecosystem.
jjoonathan 6y ago
It's so sad that it became "acceptable" to not test in Firefox (as estimated by the number of sites I randomly encounter that don't work in FF but do in Chrome) right around the time that Firefox Quantum happened and Firefox became good again :(
- nmfisher 6y ago
  I’ve noticed this too. When I encounter broken behaviour on Firefox, I always try to ping the owner on Twitter with a screenshot.
- thinkloop 6y ago
  Double-check that your initial privacy excitement during setup isn't the culprit. The couple of times that happened to me (Paypal being one) lowering my "Browser Privacy" setting from "strict" or "custom" back to "standard" fixed the issue. I would be curious to see examples of broken sites if you have em.
  - aspenmayer 6y ago
    I feel like I’m using IE in 1995 hearing this comment, but it’s valid. I feel like time is repeating itself. This is one of those tips that never really stop being relevant. The modern equivalent is tuning uBlock Origin, uMatrix, Privacy Badger, or similar products, on top of correctly configuring your browser itself.
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  Agreed -- but FWIW a fair number of times I've encountered problems using Chrome which disappeared in FF. As a veteran of the original browser wars (circa 1998-2000) I'm grateful standards have come as far as they have -- and to support Moz at the heart of the open web.
- 3131s 6y ago
  Firefox must have performed poorly on Windows / MacOS in the past, because Firefox on Linux was never actually that bad. I've used Firefox for 15+ years now and never had the problems that people talk about.
williamdclt 6y ago
I've never seen that in 2020, except on proof-of-concept website doing crazy stuff with modern browser APIs. How often does that happen to you?
mikorym 6y ago
This is completely irrelevant, but I get pissed off even when websites don't support Lynx.
- Shared404 6y ago
  Not entirely irrelevant, the thread is about browser support. Also, I agree. I have a laptop with about 256 mb of working ram, so I only use terminal apps with it. If I'm trying to look up documentation and the site doesn't work with lynx it is not a happy day. And that doesn't even touch on servers.
  - mikorym 6y ago
    Looks like we are silent friends. The one thing I often get is just a message "JavaScript is not supported" and the other is wacky and long indices at the top. But, just having mywebsite.com/txt would not be a crazy idea...
    - Shared404 6y ago
      Indeed. That's what I don't understand. How hard is it to just make a plain text copy of the data to serve to people who want it instead.

Nothing pisses me off like getting a message that some website only supports Chrome in 2020

cglace 6y ago

The one that drives me crazy are websites that say they only support safari on iOS... It’s all safari under the hood.

speedgoose 6y ago
Safari on iOs is a bit special. Some features are missing compared to the Mac version. You also need quite a few safari ios specific code if you want to build a web app. But this is a bit broken since Apple wants you to publish to the appstore and not release web apps anymore. You also need a Mac to debug safari on iOs. I hate Safari.
- orev 6y ago
  The point being made is that if you use Chrome or Firefox on IOS, it’s still actually the Safari engine.
  - naugtur 6y ago
    Actually, it's less than that. Safari doesn't share some of the features. IIRC one if them is service workers.
- robertoandred 6y ago
  If anything, the Mac version is missing features compared to the iOS version...
- jimmaswell 6y ago
  Special is right. It's full of non-standard behavior I've had the pain of fixing because you need to target iOS, e.g. needing Safari-specific attributes to capture scrolling in a modal.
- black3r 6y ago
  You don't need a mac to debug safari on iOS. There is remotedebug-ios-webkit-adapter. You need a Mac to debug Safari on Mac. Maybe that's the reason why some people only support Safari on iOS.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
johncolanduoni 6y ago
Yes but a number of features are disabled or buggy on third party browsers that use WKWebView or UIWebView (i.e. basically all of them). A particularly nasty one I ran into once was navigator.sendBeacon being completely broken with HTTPS urls: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51844586/navigator-sendbeacon-on-iphone-chrome-not-posting-to-secure-websites https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51844586/navigator-sendb...
- cglace 6y ago
  I can assure you that these websites are not using any fancy features.

abjKT26nO8 6y ago

At work we're forced to use a service for exchanging files where uploading a file is only possible in Chrome, but downloading a file is sometimes only possible in Firefox. Pinnacle of UX.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
We need an app that abstracts away the browser / browser engine, and just presents a working website to the user, probably without ads.
- samoa42 6y ago
  go ahead, make my day!
ratww 6y ago
They're definitely doing their part to maintain diversity in the browser engine ecosystem.

jjoonathan 6y ago

It's so sad that it became "acceptable" to not test in Firefox (as estimated by the number of sites I randomly encounter that don't work in FF but do in Chrome) right around the time that Firefox Quantum happened and Firefox became good again :(

nmfisher 6y ago
I’ve noticed this too. When I encounter broken behaviour on Firefox, I always try to ping the owner on Twitter with a screenshot.
thinkloop 6y ago
Double-check that your initial privacy excitement during setup isn't the culprit. The couple of times that happened to me (Paypal being one) lowering my "Browser Privacy" setting from "strict" or "custom" back to "standard" fixed the issue. I would be curious to see examples of broken sites if you have em.
- aspenmayer 6y ago
  I feel like I’m using IE in 1995 hearing this comment, but it’s valid. I feel like time is repeating itself. This is one of those tips that never really stop being relevant. The modern equivalent is tuning uBlock Origin, uMatrix, Privacy Badger, or similar products, on top of correctly configuring your browser itself.
chrisweekly 6y ago
Agreed -- but FWIW a fair number of times I've encountered problems using Chrome which disappeared in FF. As a veteran of the original browser wars (circa 1998-2000) I'm grateful standards have come as far as they have -- and to support Moz at the heart of the open web.
3131s 6y ago
Firefox must have performed poorly on Windows / MacOS in the past, because Firefox on Linux was never actually that bad. I've used Firefox for 15+ years now and never had the problems that people talk about.

williamdclt 6y ago

I've never seen that in 2020, except on proof-of-concept website doing crazy stuff with modern browser APIs. How often does that happen to you?

mikorym 6y ago

This is completely irrelevant, but I get pissed off even when websites don't support Lynx.

Shared404 6y ago
Not entirely irrelevant, the thread is about browser support. Also, I agree. I have a laptop with about 256 mb of working ram, so I only use terminal apps with it. If I'm trying to look up documentation and the site doesn't work with lynx it is not a happy day. And that doesn't even touch on servers.
- mikorym 6y ago
  Looks like we are silent friends. The one thing I often get is just a message "JavaScript is not supported" and the other is wacky and long indices at the top. But, just having mywebsite.com/txt would not be a crazy idea...
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Indeed. That's what I don't understand. How hard is it to just make a plain text copy of the data to serve to people who want it instead.