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1. This is the antifa symbol: https://imgur.com/0S81Ht6 https://imgur.com/0S81Ht6 2. The president did not use the symbol you linked. 3. Focusing on the antif

1. This is the antifa symbol: https://imgur.com/0S81Ht6 https://imgur.com/0S81Ht6 2. The president did not use the symbol you linked. 3. Focusing on the antifa symbol used in the city of Utrecht, Netherlands is the definition of cherry picking. The president's ad has more in common with the Nazi political symbol than a facebook group from Utrecht, Netherlands, and I'm sure you agree that they were not referencing the latter given it's not even in the U.S.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
That is AN Antifa symbol. I thought a couple weeks ago we were arguing whether Antifa existed or was a splintered group, now they have an official logo? The fact the logo exists and an Antifa group used an upside-down red triangle gives plausibility to the Trump campaign's reasoning. Those two examples was just a few minutes of searching, I'm sure there are others. Maybe we can ask the Antifa group WHY they decided to use that triangle.
- bduerst 6y ago
  Do you really think the president was using a symbol from Utrecht Netherlands in a U.S. based political ad?
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle. I love how the goal post is moved to whether or not one existed to mind-reading WHY he might have been targeting people deliberately or why me might have used a niche Antifa logo. edit ---- I'm sure Antifa groups attack the campaign on the same media platforms they share. Maybe they saw it in a message or posted on a wall, who knows. The fact is you don't and I don't, why are we trying to mind-read why he might have done the worst case obscure scenario that someone suggested. The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. You argue that his campaign couldn't have found this antifa logo, I argue that they weren't thinking about this holocaust symbol.
    - orthecreedence 6y ago
      > I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle. Where? They Googled "antifa" and picked the 493rd result?
    - steffandroid 6y ago
      > The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. The upside down red triangle wasn't used as a symbol for Jews in the camps, it was specifically used for socialists, communists, anarchists and other anti-fascists.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      > The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. That is outlandish. And it also appears to be a strawman that you just summoned because I don't see anybody on this thread making that claim.
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  Less than 10 km from Utrecht, NL is a town called Amersfoort where there was an SS concentration camp in WW2. As far as I know it was the only such camp outside of the boundaries of the Third Reich.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago

That is AN Antifa symbol. I thought a couple weeks ago we were arguing whether Antifa existed or was a splintered group, now they have an official logo? The fact the logo exists and an Antifa group used an upside-down red triangle gives plausibility to the Trump campaign's reasoning. Those two examples was just a few minutes of searching, I'm sure there are others. Maybe we can ask the Antifa group WHY they decided to use that triangle.

bduerst 6y ago
Do you really think the president was using a symbol from Utrecht Netherlands in a U.S. based political ad?
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle. I love how the goal post is moved to whether or not one existed to mind-reading WHY he might have been targeting people deliberately or why me might have used a niche Antifa logo. edit ---- I'm sure Antifa groups attack the campaign on the same media platforms they share. Maybe they saw it in a message or posted on a wall, who knows. The fact is you don't and I don't, why are we trying to mind-read why he might have done the worst case obscure scenario that someone suggested. The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. You argue that his campaign couldn't have found this antifa logo, I argue that they weren't thinking about this holocaust symbol.
  - orthecreedence 6y ago
    > I think it's plausible someone on his social media campaign saw banners with an upside-down red triangle. Where? They Googled "antifa" and picked the 493rd result?
  - steffandroid 6y ago
    > The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. The upside down red triangle wasn't used as a symbol for Jews in the camps, it was specifically used for socialists, communists, anarchists and other anti-fascists.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    > The more outlandish claim is that he was trying to demean the Jewish population with a symbol used during the holocaust. That is outlandish. And it also appears to be a strawman that you just summoned because I don't see anybody on this thread making that claim.
anigbrowl 6y ago
Less than 10 km from Utrecht, NL is a town called Amersfoort where there was an SS concentration camp in WW2. As far as I know it was the only such camp outside of the boundaries of the Third Reich.