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Teacher Tells Off Neil Armstrong for Faking the Moon Landing

24 points by charles_f 6y ago

charles_f 6y ago
> all the evidence circulating the globe [...] But I thought it was flat?
- krapp 6y ago
  It was flat, until the Elves receded to the West, then it became round.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    The flattening field projected by the Silmarils disappeared with them.
sharemywin 6y ago
Very clever directing to them to your shills.
kiddico 6y ago
"[...] [Name Withheld]" Followed by: "Mr. Whitman, [...]" Nailed it.
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tsomctl 6y ago
The way I look at it, the Soviet Union would have been closely monitoring the moon landing. If they had a reason to believe that it was faked, they wouldn't have hesitated to say so.
- addicted 6y ago
  The Soviet response basically eliminates any conspiracy theory. While the moon landings obviously were not plastered all over the news media, the Soviets almost universally, although quietly, praised and congratulated the astronauts and NASA on their achievement. If the landing was faked the response would have been drastically different.
  - tcmb 6y ago
    Interesting to think that nowadays this might actually happen, i.e. some country or power might actually call the opposing power's achievement a fake, despite knowing it is true. Back in the day there was a lot less information available for everyone, yet today this seems more likely to happen.
- nitwit005 6y ago
  Much like the UFO stuff, they'll just claim it's a multi-national conspiracy, and ignore the problem of motivation. I kind of wish these vast multi-national conspiracies that can cover up important world events, and maintain the secret for decade after decade existed. Who wouldn't want to work for such an organized, well funded, and culturally diverse organization?
danpalmer 6y ago
An interesting angle I learnt recently that I hadn’t considered on why the landings weren’t faked: they didn’t have the camera technology to do it. Apparently camera tech at the time for slow motion (for the movement in low gravity) made the ~hour long takes essentially impossible. I hadn’t realised that the recordings were single takes, but to slow down to quarter speed, maintaining ~30fps broadcast quality, would require 120fps cameras that didn’t exist, and more continuous tape recording than was possible by several orders of magnitude. We really were in the very early days of video/TV technology, and it wasn’t until these technologies improved and we collectively forgot how they were that the theories really started to get going. https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs
- SahAssar 6y ago
  > than was possible by several orders of magnitude. Nitpicking here, but it clearly couldn't have been by "several orders of magnitude" since they were using tape that was 1/4th of that for the actual recording.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    I think the argument is that the landing was broadcast televised (streamed, not filmed). The linked video seems to compare the "instant replay" drive (rather than a traditional film camera) for the orders of magnitude. The similar comparison of film-to-film seems to have ore to do with splicing and the switchover from one reel to another. Anyway you look at it, conspiracy theorists will always say "they had 2% of US GDP for a decade... they could have invented any number of technologies to assist with the filming".
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    They could record the live broadcast from the moon on to multiple reels, but they couldn't replay from multiple. They would have needed a lot of tape, but not one continuous play.
dventimi 6y ago
Buzz Aldrin took a more direct approach with skeptics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrtye8nhC30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrtye8nhC30
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Came here for this. Don't even have to open it - it's a solid punch.
thephyber 6y ago
I have long believed that the human mind is just a massive machine extremely capable of finding patterns, even when no pattern exists. It only takes a few stars in the sky for us to see a polygon of a greek hunter or a lion or a scorpion. We quickly forget all of the plethora of times we look at clouds and see no distinct shapes, but the second we see a human face or a dog in the tufts of cloud, we get excited and forget the likelihood of an oasis or mirage. As soon as we get some hint of signal, our brain insists that it try to rationalize it as a pattern and we must go through a painful process to let our ego down gently if we are not to believe we have found a real "signal in the noise".
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pipopipo2 6y ago
- A Russian computer vision PHD did a study of the entire Apollo mission footage and prove 100% that the whole thing was made in a studio. The lights, the background, everything prove this fact beyond any doubt. - The story of "oh the 400000 people involved would have spoken" is accepted by people who have never worked in a big company, or on a very big project. Everything is siloed. The number of people seeing the full picture on any endeavor is always very small. All those organisations work in a pyramid way. The one privy and understanding the truth were a very tiny group at the top and we probably don't even know their names. And let's be clear, a number of useful things came out of the people working on the Apollo mission. It was not all about the faking of course. - The story about "the Russians would have known and spoke" does not make sense when you know that at some level, they are no countries ! It well described in numerous places (books, documentaries), that the one really in power are cross border, international etc... See the footage between Medvedev and Obama some years ago. Does it seem like leaders in conflict. At some level, the earth is addressed as one. The countries are artificial constructs. Yes they are wars, they are races for technology etc.... but there exist a level where those things are just part of the divide and conquer, as well as distract from real truths. So some Russians probably knew but would not make any sense to end the phony countries war/conflict. Just think that Eisenhower daughter married a Russian astronauts, and that Werner Von Braun was an ex Nazi. Why isn't this more widely mentioned ? Does it make sense in a context of countries really fighting each other ? - There is this push recently for saying "oh it would have been more simple to really go there than to fake it". How can someone be so brainwashed and stupid to end up with some argument. This people saying that probably do not have kids born in the internet age with mobiles, and flat screen at home etc... Try to explain them we went to the moon 50 years ago before all of that....And don't tell me about the little robot on the surface of Mars, the Moon, or whatever.... - The deflector story is laughable. Do some research to what the official claim about that is. It's a shocker. Basically the laser signal is supposed to be so faint when back from the moon that they could be picking any random signals and make it appear as the ray of light back from the mirror. It's really an abuse of weakness and ignorance. In his response Armstrong is here typically looking down on the whole fooled population when throwing this argument. Sorry if it's that hard to really accept the whole thing was phony but we really need to grow and move beyond accepting the lies and stop calling names people who did their own search and know what's real. You can be educated, knowledgeable, have a sort of normal life and still fully be aware that no we did not sent military agent hundreds miles away in a rocket to play golf !! no we did not do that and I also doubt Elon Musk sent a Tesla car in space. We have urgent important real problems to tackle and should put all this space distraction to rest for now. We should be considering space once we have managed to really have a full understanding of what is really happening on the ground around us.

24 points by charles_f 6y ago

charles_f 6y ago

> all the evidence circulating the globe [...] But I thought it was flat?

krapp 6y ago
It was flat, until the Elves receded to the West, then it became round.
- craftinator 6y ago
  The flattening field projected by the Silmarils disappeared with them.

sharemywin 6y ago

Very clever directing to them to your shills.

kiddico 6y ago

"[...] [Name Withheld]" Followed by: "Mr. Whitman, [...]" Nailed it.

deleted 6y ago

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tsomctl 6y ago

The way I look at it, the Soviet Union would have been closely monitoring the moon landing. If they had a reason to believe that it was faked, they wouldn't have hesitated to say so.

addicted 6y ago
The Soviet response basically eliminates any conspiracy theory. While the moon landings obviously were not plastered all over the news media, the Soviets almost universally, although quietly, praised and congratulated the astronauts and NASA on their achievement. If the landing was faked the response would have been drastically different.
- tcmb 6y ago
  Interesting to think that nowadays this might actually happen, i.e. some country or power might actually call the opposing power's achievement a fake, despite knowing it is true. Back in the day there was a lot less information available for everyone, yet today this seems more likely to happen.
nitwit005 6y ago
Much like the UFO stuff, they'll just claim it's a multi-national conspiracy, and ignore the problem of motivation. I kind of wish these vast multi-national conspiracies that can cover up important world events, and maintain the secret for decade after decade existed. Who wouldn't want to work for such an organized, well funded, and culturally diverse organization?

danpalmer 6y ago

An interesting angle I learnt recently that I hadn’t considered on why the landings weren’t faked: they didn’t have the camera technology to do it. Apparently camera tech at the time for slow motion (for the movement in low gravity) made the ~hour long takes essentially impossible. I hadn’t realised that the recordings were single takes, but to slow down to quarter speed, maintaining ~30fps broadcast quality, would require 120fps cameras that didn’t exist, and more continuous tape recording than was possible by several orders of magnitude. We really were in the very early days of video/TV technology, and it wasn’t until these technologies improved and we collectively forgot how they were that the theories really started to get going. https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs

SahAssar 6y ago
> than was possible by several orders of magnitude. Nitpicking here, but it clearly couldn't have been by "several orders of magnitude" since they were using tape that was 1/4th of that for the actual recording.
- thephyber 6y ago
  I think the argument is that the landing was broadcast televised (streamed, not filmed). The linked video seems to compare the "instant replay" drive (rather than a traditional film camera) for the orders of magnitude. The similar comparison of film-to-film seems to have ore to do with splicing and the switchover from one reel to another. Anyway you look at it, conspiracy theorists will always say "they had 2% of US GDP for a decade... they could have invented any number of technologies to assist with the filming".
- danpalmer 6y ago
  They could record the live broadcast from the moon on to multiple reels, but they couldn't replay from multiple. They would have needed a lot of tape, but not one continuous play.

dventimi 6y ago

Buzz Aldrin took a more direct approach with skeptics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrtye8nhC30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrtye8nhC30

ta17711771 6y ago
Came here for this. Don't even have to open it - it's a solid punch.

thephyber 6y ago

I have long believed that the human mind is just a massive machine extremely capable of finding patterns, even when no pattern exists. It only takes a few stars in the sky for us to see a polygon of a greek hunter or a lion or a scorpion. We quickly forget all of the plethora of times we look at clouds and see no distinct shapes, but the second we see a human face or a dog in the tufts of cloud, we get excited and forget the likelihood of an oasis or mirage. As soon as we get some hint of signal, our brain insists that it try to rationalize it as a pattern and we must go through a painful process to let our ego down gently if we are not to believe we have found a real "signal in the noise".

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pipopipo2 6y ago

- A Russian computer vision PHD did a study of the entire Apollo mission footage and prove 100% that the whole thing was made in a studio. The lights, the background, everything prove this fact beyond any doubt. - The story of "oh the 400000 people involved would have spoken" is accepted by people who have never worked in a big company, or on a very big project. Everything is siloed. The number of people seeing the full picture on any endeavor is always very small. All those organisations work in a pyramid way. The one privy and understanding the truth were a very tiny group at the top and we probably don't even know their names. And let's be clear, a number of useful things came out of the people working on the Apollo mission. It was not all about the faking of course. - The story about "the Russians would have known and spoke" does not make sense when you know that at some level, they are no countries ! It well described in numerous places (books, documentaries), that the one really in power are cross border, international etc... See the footage between Medvedev and Obama some years ago. Does it seem like leaders in conflict. At some level, the earth is addressed as one. The countries are artificial constructs. Yes they are wars, they are races for technology etc.... but there exist a level where those things are just part of the divide and conquer, as well as distract from real truths. So some Russians probably knew but would not make any sense to end the phony countries war/conflict. Just think that Eisenhower daughter married a Russian astronauts, and that Werner Von Braun was an ex Nazi. Why isn't this more widely mentioned ? Does it make sense in a context of countries really fighting each other ? - There is this push recently for saying "oh it would have been more simple to really go there than to fake it". How can someone be so brainwashed and stupid to end up with some argument. This people saying that probably do not have kids born in the internet age with mobiles, and flat screen at home etc... Try to explain them we went to the moon 50 years ago before all of that....And don't tell me about the little robot on the surface of Mars, the Moon, or whatever.... - The deflector story is laughable. Do some research to what the official claim about that is. It's a shocker. Basically the laser signal is supposed to be so faint when back from the moon that they could be picking any random signals and make it appear as the ray of light back from the mirror. It's really an abuse of weakness and ignorance. In his response Armstrong is here typically looking down on the whole fooled population when throwing this argument. Sorry if it's that hard to really accept the whole thing was phony but we really need to grow and move beyond accepting the lies and stop calling names people who did their own search and know what's real. You can be educated, knowledgeable, have a sort of normal life and still fully be aware that no we did not sent military agent hundreds miles away in a rocket to play golf !! no we did not do that and I also doubt Elon Musk sent a Tesla car in space. We have urgent important real problems to tackle and should put all this space distraction to rest for now. We should be considering space once we have managed to really have a full understanding of what is really happening on the ground around us.