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I find it hard to believe that an anti-fascist movement would happen to use a symbol used by the most well known fascist movement in living memory. Perhaps thi

by onei 6y ago

I find it hard to believe that an anti-fascist movement would happen to use a symbol used by the most well known fascist movement in living memory. Perhaps this is like the tactics applied by Boris Johnson to distract search results. Now antifa is going to be all over the news for being an alleged terrorist group regardless of its validity.

barnesto 6y ago
have you never seen the Antifa flag and what it's modeled after? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
- guerrilla 6y ago
  AFA is a specific organization which historically co-opted the original generic anti-fascist movement.
  - mercer 6y ago
    While there might be a 'core' AFA organization, the whole point is that they mostly rely on the more generic anti-fascist 'movement' in practice. Even now, I'd say the majority of the 'members' of this movement, as in the people that show up, are all sorts of people, generally left-wing but including what in the US would be called 'liberals'. Most of these are not explicitly members of AFA. So I'd say 'co-opted' sort of doesn't fully cover the situation. But I'd also say you're not entirely wrong either.
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    - guerrilla 6y ago
      No, there's no "core" or "whole point" about it. This betrays an ignorance as to what actually happened. [1][2]. AFA is a communist (KDP) co-option of a generic anti-fascism. This is basic history at this point, please see the referenced links. AFA co-opting anti-fascisism covers "the situation" (i.e. history) perfectly well, being that that is what happened. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion [2]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism
josteink 6y ago
> Now antifa is going to be all over the news for being an alleged terrorist group regardless of its validity But they obviously are a violent anarchist group causing violence, riots, mayhem (and terror?) for their political opponents, regardless of logo used. This part isn’t news. This probably the most widely known fact known about ANTIFA worldwide, and has been for years. It’s literally their raison d'être. Clearly they operate unlawfully. If they are a “terrorist” organisation though, that’s another debate. Either way, if ANTIFA is your friend or ally, I would consider that a PR problem you’ll need to address sooner rather than later. ANTIFA is not cool.

by onei 6y ago

barnesto 6y ago

have you never seen the Antifa flag and what it's modeled after? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

guerrilla 6y ago
AFA is a specific organization which historically co-opted the original generic anti-fascist movement.
- mercer 6y ago
  While there might be a 'core' AFA organization, the whole point is that they mostly rely on the more generic anti-fascist 'movement' in practice. Even now, I'd say the majority of the 'members' of this movement, as in the people that show up, are all sorts of people, generally left-wing but including what in the US would be called 'liberals'. Most of these are not explicitly members of AFA. So I'd say 'co-opted' sort of doesn't fully cover the situation. But I'd also say you're not entirely wrong either.
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  - guerrilla 6y ago
    No, there's no "core" or "whole point" about it. This betrays an ignorance as to what actually happened. [1][2]. AFA is a communist (KDP) co-option of a generic anti-fascism. This is basic history at this point, please see the referenced links. AFA co-opting anti-fascisism covers "the situation" (i.e. history) perfectly well, being that that is what happened. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion [2]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism

josteink 6y ago

> Now antifa is going to be all over the news for being an alleged terrorist group regardless of its validity But they obviously are a violent anarchist group causing violence, riots, mayhem (and terror?) for their political opponents, regardless of logo used. This part isn’t news. This probably the most widely known fact known about ANTIFA worldwide, and has been for years. It’s literally their raison d'être. Clearly they operate unlawfully. If they are a “terrorist” organisation though, that’s another debate. Either way, if ANTIFA is your friend or ally, I would consider that a PR problem you’ll need to address sooner rather than later. ANTIFA is not cool.