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Why was this downvoted, is it fake or otherwise misleading? I'm not using Facebook or from the USA so I'm out of the loop on the original and wouldn't be able t

by Aachen 6y ago

Why was this downvoted, is it fake or otherwise misleading? I'm not using Facebook or from the USA so I'm out of the loop on the original and wouldn't be able to tell. I'd like to see the ad in question but this makes me wonder what's up with this (helpful seeming) comment.

pera 6y ago
This entire comment section was grayed out a few minutes ago :/
- krapp 6y ago
  The pro-Trump and right-wing contingent on this site tends to be very good with deflection, suppression and damage control.
  - robotron 6y ago
    Yep, on their way to taking over HN in my opinion.
    - ModernMech 6y ago
      I used to think this about HN, but then I went over to /. after being absent for about 15 years. If you had any questions about the job that mods do here, just spend some time there and you'll appreciate it here more. For example, see their discussion about this topic: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/06/18/207204/facebook-takes-down-trump-ads-featuring-symbol-used-by-nazis-to-mark-political-prisoners#comments https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/06/18/207204/facebook-tak...
      - subsection1h 6y ago
        Thank you for the link. I haven't been to Slashdot in years. Notice how high the apologists' user IDs are. Eternal September seems to have hit Slashdot painfully hard. I thought HN was getting bad (e.g., see s_y_n_t_a_x in this thread), but some of the comments in that Slashdot discussion are Stormfront-level material, especially when displaying most of the comments.
        ModernMech 6y ago
        And it's not just the comments. Here, topics like this are flagged and removed from the front page. There, stories like this are purposefully added by a team of moderators.
onei 6y ago
My question as well. I can only assume the points are so damning that someone is trying to erase it.
user982 6y ago
>> "Why is this reply being downvoted? It is merely informative." > "It shows the actual words, which are hard to spin. If we keep what was done vague, we can spin it any way we please." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347313
s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
It's wrong, there are Antifa groups that use an upside down red triangle: https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/ https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/ https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-antifa-conference-amsterdam-program/ https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-anti... Seems like Facebook jumped the gun on this and assumed the worst. -- reply @ GP edit -- > Rather than making the association that this leftist group deserves to have political concentration camp tag? Yeah I believe your hypothesis is crazy and needs more evidence before jumping to such a wild assumption. That's why you word vomit with events that loosely relate to concentration camps and 88 words to support your already loose conspiracy theory. Ironic that NOW this symbol will be used against socialists since the WSJ and Facebook just made it mainstream and assumed that connection. No one would have never thought of this connection if FB wouldn't have flagged it and the WSJ didn't immediately report it. Can you honestly say you had this holocaust knowledge? To assume that on everyone and to go further and assume malicious intent is even more dishonest. People wanted this to be so true, but you are all conspiracy theorists today.
- Miner49er 6y ago
  I'm antifa, and I've never seen this symbol used by antifascists, in the US anyway. Even if they do, it's likely as a way to subvert the symbol used by the Nazis. To use it to attack antifa is to use it like the Nazis did. It's like how black people can use the n-word, but not white people.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    Thank you for your anecdote, but I've posted two examples, one active FB group. It seems to be mainly a European usage, but it exists. I don't see how pointing out a symbol a group uses is attacking them. I also don't think equating yourself and antifa to the struggle of the holocaust and slavery is going to win any minds over.
    - user982 6y ago
      > You also lost me on your n-word logic. Quelle surprise.

by Aachen 6y ago

pera 6y ago

This entire comment section was grayed out a few minutes ago :/

krapp 6y ago
The pro-Trump and right-wing contingent on this site tends to be very good with deflection, suppression and damage control.
- robotron 6y ago
  Yep, on their way to taking over HN in my opinion.
  - ModernMech 6y ago
    I used to think this about HN, but then I went over to /. after being absent for about 15 years. If you had any questions about the job that mods do here, just spend some time there and you'll appreciate it here more. For example, see their discussion about this topic: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/06/18/207204/facebook-takes-down-trump-ads-featuring-symbol-used-by-nazis-to-mark-political-prisoners#comments https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/06/18/207204/facebook-tak...
    - subsection1h 6y ago
      Thank you for the link. I haven't been to Slashdot in years. Notice how high the apologists' user IDs are. Eternal September seems to have hit Slashdot painfully hard. I thought HN was getting bad (e.g., see s_y_n_t_a_x in this thread), but some of the comments in that Slashdot discussion are Stormfront-level material, especially when displaying most of the comments.
      - ModernMech 6y ago
        And it's not just the comments. Here, topics like this are flagged and removed from the front page. There, stories like this are purposefully added by a team of moderators.

onei 6y ago

My question as well. I can only assume the points are so damning that someone is trying to erase it.

user982 6y ago

>> "Why is this reply being downvoted? It is merely informative." > "It shows the actual words, which are hard to spin. If we keep what was done vague, we can spin it any way we please." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347313

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago

It's wrong, there are Antifa groups that use an upside down red triangle: https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/ https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/ https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-antifa-conference-amsterdam-program/ https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-anti... Seems like Facebook jumped the gun on this and assumed the worst. -- reply @ GP edit -- > Rather than making the association that this leftist group deserves to have political concentration camp tag? Yeah I believe your hypothesis is crazy and needs more evidence before jumping to such a wild assumption. That's why you word vomit with events that loosely relate to concentration camps and 88 words to support your already loose conspiracy theory. Ironic that NOW this symbol will be used against socialists since the WSJ and Facebook just made it mainstream and assumed that connection. No one would have never thought of this connection if FB wouldn't have flagged it and the WSJ didn't immediately report it. Can you honestly say you had this holocaust knowledge? To assume that on everyone and to go further and assume malicious intent is even more dishonest. People wanted this to be so true, but you are all conspiracy theorists today.

Miner49er 6y ago
I'm antifa, and I've never seen this symbol used by antifascists, in the US anyway. Even if they do, it's likely as a way to subvert the symbol used by the Nazis. To use it to attack antifa is to use it like the Nazis did. It's like how black people can use the n-word, but not white people.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  Thank you for your anecdote, but I've posted two examples, one active FB group. It seems to be mainly a European usage, but it exists. I don't see how pointing out a symbol a group uses is attacking them. I also don't think equating yourself and antifa to the struggle of the holocaust and slavery is going to win any minds over.
  - user982 6y ago
    > You also lost me on your n-word logic. Quelle surprise.