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> Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough. 8.8.8.8 is Google

by cgb223 6y ago

> Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough. 8.8.8.8 is Google’s DNS so you’re really just trading being tracked by an ISP to a giant advertising company...

jefftk 6y ago
The privacy policy for 8.8.8.8 is actually really good: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy I wish more google products were so explicit in what they log and for what purposes. (Disclosure: I work for Google)
- johnklos 6y ago
  Not related to this thread: Do you have any way to communicate with actual humans inside of Google who can do anything? There are demonstrable issues with 8.8.8.8, yet I cannot get anything but the occasional form response from every address I've tried.
  - deepbreath 6y ago
    Could you point what you believe to be the issues in the thread?
  - jefftk 6y ago
    If you wanted to describe what was wrong, in a way that I can reproduce it, I could file a bug, yeah
  - frei 6y ago
    Complaining about a reproducible issue on a public forum works. Even if you don't get direct feedback, there's a good chance it will get quickly forwarded to an teams' internal mailing list. A lot of google engineers read hacker news comments, reddit threads, etc. all the time, and generally try and route good feedback where it belongs.
jwilk 6y ago
And then it's a shitty trade, because your ISP still can track you without much difficulty.
- kd913 6y ago
  Not just track you, some ISPs will simply redirect all UDP port 53 DNS packets to their own DNS anyway.
  - Jonnax 6y ago
    Which ISP? People arguing against DNS over HTTPS claim stuff the doesn't happen so it'd be good to have definite examples.
    - Karunamon 6y ago
      The best argument I've heard about DoH (at least Firefox's forced implementation) is that it turns a distributed collection problem for the bad guys with guns into one-stop shopping for the bad guys with guns.
    - kd913 6y ago
      I know until recently Sky broadband was doing this.

by cgb223 6y ago

jefftk 6y ago

The privacy policy for 8.8.8.8 is actually really good: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy I wish more google products were so explicit in what they log and for what purposes. (Disclosure: I work for Google)

johnklos 6y ago
Not related to this thread: Do you have any way to communicate with actual humans inside of Google who can do anything? There are demonstrable issues with 8.8.8.8, yet I cannot get anything but the occasional form response from every address I've tried.
- deepbreath 6y ago
  Could you point what you believe to be the issues in the thread?
- jefftk 6y ago
  If you wanted to describe what was wrong, in a way that I can reproduce it, I could file a bug, yeah
- frei 6y ago
  Complaining about a reproducible issue on a public forum works. Even if you don't get direct feedback, there's a good chance it will get quickly forwarded to an teams' internal mailing list. A lot of google engineers read hacker news comments, reddit threads, etc. all the time, and generally try and route good feedback where it belongs.

jwilk 6y ago

And then it's a shitty trade, because your ISP still can track you without much difficulty.

kd913 6y ago
Not just track you, some ISPs will simply redirect all UDP port 53 DNS packets to their own DNS anyway.
- Jonnax 6y ago
  Which ISP? People arguing against DNS over HTTPS claim stuff the doesn't happen so it'd be good to have definite examples.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    The best argument I've heard about DoH (at least Firefox's forced implementation) is that it turns a distributed collection problem for the bad guys with guns into one-stop shopping for the bad guys with guns.
  - kd913 6y ago
    I know until recently Sky broadband was doing this.