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> So for 10-bob you get email, word, excel, teams and exchange/AzureAD -- or a chat app. And the people making these decisions use word, excel, teams and excha

> So for 10-bob you get email, word, excel, teams and exchange/AzureAD -- or a chat app. And the people making these decisions use word, excel, teams and exchange a hell of a lot in ways to try to work out how to save some money. I for one don't need that. I need jira, confluence, slack.

dijit 6y ago
Yeah, but this is how network effects works. Accounting uses excel so everyone who interacts with accounting needs excel. Then those who interact with accounting (HR, Purchasing) use excel so everyone they come into contact with needs excel. There's is a metric which is called "Cost per head" used in my company, and it goes like; 1 Person: * 1 Windows license * 1 Office license * 1 Visio license * 1 Swarm license * 1 Perforce license * 1 Jetbrains license (optional) * 1 Slack license * 1 jira license * 1 confluence license * 1 gitlab license * 1 Terraform Enterprise license (optional) * 1 headcount in some HR software and that's just what I can remember. Controversial hot-take from one of our IT directors: <user> Just wondering why can't we just use slack and not use Teams at all :thinking_face: Slack seems so much better. <itDirector> So, just to put this out there, I started this Slack originally. So it's a topic close to my heart. <itDirector> But ultimately right now, Teams is eating the fuck out of Slack's lunch. <itDirector> Teams is included within our M365 license, for all users, at a fraction of the price of Slack. <itDirector> Likewise, all of the integrations, SSO, features, etc., come bundled in the existing license. <itDirector> For Slack, they continue to push Enterprise Grid licensing costs of over 300 USD per user per year <itDirector> Additionally, there are more people now starting to push us to formally drop Slack than Teams. Some studios are mandating the usage of Teams over Slack, as well as some projects. <itDirector> Personally, I see several features still missing before such a conversation can hold weight. Teams will have private channels added in November, and I'm hoping they address file permissions, non-threaded channel chat and lifting of the 250 user limit in individual chats. <itDirector> But once that happens, it's going to be extremely difficult for Slack to compete. <itDirector> So, to manage expectations - I would not anticipate a future where Slack is chosen over Teams. It's probably best to start acclimating to that reality now.
- iso1631 6y ago
  By removing slack this adds a ton of work as all the integrations and workflows that have been built into slack over the years need to be rebuilt. All to save 0.2% of the cost of a person Now in our specific company the latest hotness only lasts about 2 years, from messanger to lync to skype to zoom to teams. Each is massively disruptive and comes as a major project for a team of project managers. (They are also trying to downgrade us to office 365, which for our purposes removes archived emails more than 3 years old) Now for a beancounter it may seem that spending £6k a month on someone, then pissing them off by making a £10 a month saving, it worthwhile. That's because the beancounter doesn't factor in the cost of pissing people off.

dijit 6y ago

Yeah, but this is how network effects works. Accounting uses excel so everyone who interacts with accounting needs excel. Then those who interact with accounting (HR, Purchasing) use excel so everyone they come into contact with needs excel. There's is a metric which is called "Cost per head" used in my company, and it goes like; 1 Person: * 1 Windows license * 1 Office license * 1 Visio license * 1 Swarm license * 1 Perforce license * 1 Jetbrains license (optional) * 1 Slack license * 1 jira license * 1 confluence license * 1 gitlab license * 1 Terraform Enterprise license (optional) * 1 headcount in some HR software and that's just what I can remember. Controversial hot-take from one of our IT directors: <user> Just wondering why can't we just use slack and not use Teams at all :thinking_face: Slack seems so much better. <itDirector> So, just to put this out there, I started this Slack originally. So it's a topic close to my heart. <itDirector> But ultimately right now, Teams is eating the fuck out of Slack's lunch. <itDirector> Teams is included within our M365 license, for all users, at a fraction of the price of Slack. <itDirector> Likewise, all of the integrations, SSO, features, etc., come bundled in the existing license. <itDirector> For Slack, they continue to push Enterprise Grid licensing costs of over 300 USD per user per year <itDirector> Additionally, there are more people now starting to push us to formally drop Slack than Teams. Some studios are mandating the usage of Teams over Slack, as well as some projects. <itDirector> Personally, I see several features still missing before such a conversation can hold weight. Teams will have private channels added in November, and I'm hoping they address file permissions, non-threaded channel chat and lifting of the 250 user limit in individual chats. <itDirector> But once that happens, it's going to be extremely difficult for Slack to compete. <itDirector> So, to manage expectations - I would not anticipate a future where Slack is chosen over Teams. It's probably best to start acclimating to that reality now.

iso1631 6y ago
By removing slack this adds a ton of work as all the integrations and workflows that have been built into slack over the years need to be rebuilt. All to save 0.2% of the cost of a person Now in our specific company the latest hotness only lasts about 2 years, from messanger to lync to skype to zoom to teams. Each is massively disruptive and comes as a major project for a team of project managers. (They are also trying to downgrade us to office 365, which for our purposes removes archived emails more than 3 years old) Now for a beancounter it may seem that spending £6k a month on someone, then pissing them off by making a £10 a month saving, it worthwhile. That's because the beancounter doesn't factor in the cost of pissing people off.