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Unless google has a similar rule, which states DIY in app purchase solutions aren't allowed, I dont see what's the fault of Apple here? What kind of a business

Unless google has a similar rule, which states DIY in app purchase solutions aren't allowed, I dont see what's the fault of Apple here? What kind of a business wants to give away free money? I don't see hypocrisy unless they're breaking TOS.

happytoexplain 6y ago
I don't follow why breaking the TOS is required to qualify for behaving in a hypocritical manner.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > I don't follow why breaking the TOS is required to qualify for behaving in a hypocritical manner It very much matters if this is to be used as precedent by Spotify in its legal proceedings against Apple.
billylo 6y ago
Google does have a similar rule. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/ https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/
- jfk13 6y ago
  And it has an exception for "digital content that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g. songs that can be played on other music players)".
factorialboy 6y ago
It's hypocritical because of the very fact their Apple's own terms and conditions enforces the monopolistic "your 30 percent belongs to us" rule.
AnotherGoodName 6y ago
Yes absolutely. As with the exceptions on iOS (Netflix is outside the iOS payment system) i suspect it's a case that certain apps are large enough that kicking them off the store for not paying the 30% tax isn't feasible. >Developers offering products within a game downloaded on Google Play or providing access to game content must use Google Play In-app Billing as the method of payment. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/ https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/
- jfk13 6y ago
  Actually, there seems to be an exception that sounds relevant here: > Developers offering products within another category of app downloaded on Google Play must use Google Play In-app Billing as the method of payment, except for the following cases: > . Payment is solely for physical products > . Payment is for digital content that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g. songs that can be played on other music players).
  - saalweachter 6y ago
    The second part is why, for instance, you can directly buy things from the Kindle or Audible apps on Android, but only listen / read on iOS.
  - wnoise 6y ago
    Can you play apple music songs via other android apps?
    - kevincox 6y ago
      Probably not. But I suspect that they would argue that users can also listen on their iPhone or Mac which is enough to pass those terms.
      - riclad 6y ago
        Apple does not have a monopoly in the tablet market, There's lots of android tablets and also Microsoft sells tablets. 90 per cent of phones sold are android phones as they are cheaper, than any apple phone Apple allows Netflix and Spotify apps on their store Without taking a 30 per cent cut. The problem is if an app has in app subscriptions or the app is not free apple gets a 30 per cent cut Google has similar rules to the apple store, It seems the rules are not Always consistent, on the apple store. Big company's like Spotify or netflix are not treated as strictly as a small developer with a few apps on the apple store. Apple is being investigated by the EU, to see If the app store policy's are reducing competition and innovation eg it makes its own music And TV apps which compete with Spotify and or video apps In the store. Only apple can use the iPhone nfc chip to pay for goods in stores Maybe we would have more completion in apps if there Were more mobile platforms, Other than android and apple Ios So it's up to the regulators to make sure that consumers and devs are not overcharged or innovation is blocked by 2 company's who control the Mobile app marketplace
citizenkeen 6y ago
Fault <> hypocrisy. You can be blameless and still be a hypocrite. Is Apple at _fault_ for this action? No. Corporate entities are gonna corporate entity. Does this reek of hypocrisy? Yes.

happytoexplain 6y ago

I don't follow why breaking the TOS is required to qualify for behaving in a hypocritical manner.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> I don't follow why breaking the TOS is required to qualify for behaving in a hypocritical manner It very much matters if this is to be used as precedent by Spotify in its legal proceedings against Apple.

billylo 6y ago

Google does have a similar rule. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/ https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/

jfk13 6y ago
And it has an exception for "digital content that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g. songs that can be played on other music players)".

factorialboy 6y ago

It's hypocritical because of the very fact their Apple's own terms and conditions enforces the monopolistic "your 30 percent belongs to us" rule.

AnotherGoodName 6y ago

Yes absolutely. As with the exceptions on iOS (Netflix is outside the iOS payment system) i suspect it's a case that certain apps are large enough that kicking them off the store for not paying the 30% tax isn't feasible. >Developers offering products within a game downloaded on Google Play or providing access to game content must use Google Play In-app Billing as the method of payment. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/ https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/payments/

jfk13 6y ago
Actually, there seems to be an exception that sounds relevant here: > Developers offering products within another category of app downloaded on Google Play must use Google Play In-app Billing as the method of payment, except for the following cases: > . Payment is solely for physical products > . Payment is for digital content that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g. songs that can be played on other music players).
- saalweachter 6y ago
  The second part is why, for instance, you can directly buy things from the Kindle or Audible apps on Android, but only listen / read on iOS.
- wnoise 6y ago
  Can you play apple music songs via other android apps?
  - kevincox 6y ago
    Probably not. But I suspect that they would argue that users can also listen on their iPhone or Mac which is enough to pass those terms.
    - riclad 6y ago
      Apple does not have a monopoly in the tablet market, There's lots of android tablets and also Microsoft sells tablets. 90 per cent of phones sold are android phones as they are cheaper, than any apple phone Apple allows Netflix and Spotify apps on their store Without taking a 30 per cent cut. The problem is if an app has in app subscriptions or the app is not free apple gets a 30 per cent cut Google has similar rules to the apple store, It seems the rules are not Always consistent, on the apple store. Big company's like Spotify or netflix are not treated as strictly as a small developer with a few apps on the apple store. Apple is being investigated by the EU, to see If the app store policy's are reducing competition and innovation eg it makes its own music And TV apps which compete with Spotify and or video apps In the store. Only apple can use the iPhone nfc chip to pay for goods in stores Maybe we would have more completion in apps if there Were more mobile platforms, Other than android and apple Ios So it's up to the regulators to make sure that consumers and devs are not overcharged or innovation is blocked by 2 company's who control the Mobile app marketplace

citizenkeen 6y ago

Fault <> hypocrisy. You can be blameless and still be a hypocrite. Is Apple at _fault_ for this action? No. Corporate entities are gonna corporate entity. Does this reek of hypocrisy? Yes.