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The CCP is getting ever more ambitious (perhaps reckless) in the wake of the pandemic. I am not sure if it's overconfidence or calculated tactical moves. The ti

The CCP is getting ever more ambitious (perhaps reckless) in the wake of the pandemic. I am not sure if it's overconfidence or calculated tactical moves. The timing of the border conflict with India is no mere coincidence -- it seems like an attempt to secure assets (CPEC) on the Western theatre in anticipation to any action on the Eastern front.

magicsmoke 6y ago
The flareup is over 60km2 of territory on the other side of Kashmir and the CPEC highways, it's not going to have any impact on them. More likely that local forces got rowdy as infantrymen tend to do and now the higher ups are scrambling to defuse the situation. If this was an actual calculated move to take significant amounts of territory the big guns would be firing by now.
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  Previous agreements prohibit the use of firearms on the Indo-China border even if troops are carrying them. Have a look at the weapon used by the Chinese troops to figure if the attack was premeditated. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53089037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53089037
- screye 6y ago
  I've been reading a ton of geopolitical and military experts over the last few weeks, and there is a unanimous consensus that China never makes moves on the border without explicit instructions from the top. Their reaction here has been paired with new movement in the South China Sea, changed messaging through proxy Government (Oli in Nepal and Pakistan at large) and claims over new land that has never been claimed by them before. Xi is using the fallout from Corona as a way to impose China on countries that are distracted by the pandemic as of this time. > If this was an actual calculated move to take significant amounts of territory the big guns would be firing by now. That isn't how China works. They are well know for their salami slicing (https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/03/salami-slicing-in-the-south-china-sea/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/03/salami-slicing-in-the-s...) approach to expansionism. Their current actions are perfectly in line with previous attempts at expanding borders and signaling intent for armed invasion.
  - magicsmoke 6y ago
    I'd like to see that list of experts and their reasoning.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    Since when is Nepal Chinese proxy?
    - newyankee 6y ago
      since the Maoist Govt took hold. Since Chinese promised to pay for all Nepal schools to teach Mandarin which was adopted by a lot of schools. They extended their claims on Mt. Everest. Nepal claimed new territory from India on Chinese pressure in an area which is open border. Nepal is now almost a part of OBOR. Connectivity via Tibet and lure of easy Chinese money.
marcus_holmes 6y ago
Desperation, possibly. As I understand it, the deal between the CCP and the Chinese people was "you get rich, but you get no rights". If the economic downturn from COVID hits as hard as the doomers predict, then that deal could be over. A war could be a way of putting off the civil problems that will bring.
- bokwoon 6y ago
  China would squash any civil problems out, like a bug
growlist 6y ago
BLM hardly seems coincidental either.
- mediaman 6y ago
  ...are you suggesting protests about brutality against Black Americans is primarily a Chinese ploy?
  - growlist 6y ago
    No, I'm sure hostile forces would never take advantage of such a situation /s 'Russia and China target US protests on social media Both countries have flooded Twitter with hashtags and other content experts say is aimed at sowing dissent across the country.' https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-china-us-protests-social-media-twitter/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-china-us-protests-soc...
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    No, everyone knows it's a Russian ploy. /s
    - growlist 6y ago
      Despite your sarcasm, there's evidence for both.
  - dannyw 6y ago
    China is absolutely fuelling it on the digital space. For example, in a first, TikTok is elevating BLM protests, while continuing to ban and de-elevate HK protests: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-17/tiktok-loosens-grip-on-political-speech-for-black-lives-matter https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-17/tiktok-lo... And this is just an overt action.
    - sbmthakur 6y ago
      Mention of Dalai Lama, Tibet, or anything that goes against the CCP is supposed to be removed by TikTok moderators. https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/gkte2w/tiktok_indian_moderators_recieve_guidelines_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/gkte2w/tiktok_...
cgh 6y ago
If you are curious about China's ambitions and possible future in the wake of the American pullback from the international order, I recommend the book "Disunited Nations". It also profiles Germany, Iran, France and various other interesting places.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
The US is the one refusing to sell to China here, how is China getting more ambitious or overconfident in the "chip war?"
namelosw 6y ago
It's hard to say now. It might work or just got busted at the end of the day.

magicsmoke 6y ago

The flareup is over 60km2 of territory on the other side of Kashmir and the CPEC highways, it's not going to have any impact on them. More likely that local forces got rowdy as infantrymen tend to do and now the higher ups are scrambling to defuse the situation. If this was an actual calculated move to take significant amounts of territory the big guns would be firing by now.

sbmthakur 6y ago
Previous agreements prohibit the use of firearms on the Indo-China border even if troops are carrying them. Have a look at the weapon used by the Chinese troops to figure if the attack was premeditated. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53089037 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53089037
screye 6y ago
I've been reading a ton of geopolitical and military experts over the last few weeks, and there is a unanimous consensus that China never makes moves on the border without explicit instructions from the top. Their reaction here has been paired with new movement in the South China Sea, changed messaging through proxy Government (Oli in Nepal and Pakistan at large) and claims over new land that has never been claimed by them before. Xi is using the fallout from Corona as a way to impose China on countries that are distracted by the pandemic as of this time. > If this was an actual calculated move to take significant amounts of territory the big guns would be firing by now. That isn't how China works. They are well know for their salami slicing (https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/03/salami-slicing-in-the-south-china-sea/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/03/salami-slicing-in-the-s...) approach to expansionism. Their current actions are perfectly in line with previous attempts at expanding borders and signaling intent for armed invasion.
- magicsmoke 6y ago
  I'd like to see that list of experts and their reasoning.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Since when is Nepal Chinese proxy?
  - newyankee 6y ago
    since the Maoist Govt took hold. Since Chinese promised to pay for all Nepal schools to teach Mandarin which was adopted by a lot of schools. They extended their claims on Mt. Everest. Nepal claimed new territory from India on Chinese pressure in an area which is open border. Nepal is now almost a part of OBOR. Connectivity via Tibet and lure of easy Chinese money.

marcus_holmes 6y ago

Desperation, possibly. As I understand it, the deal between the CCP and the Chinese people was "you get rich, but you get no rights". If the economic downturn from COVID hits as hard as the doomers predict, then that deal could be over. A war could be a way of putting off the civil problems that will bring.

bokwoon 6y ago
China would squash any civil problems out, like a bug

growlist 6y ago

BLM hardly seems coincidental either.

mediaman 6y ago
...are you suggesting protests about brutality against Black Americans is primarily a Chinese ploy?
- growlist 6y ago
  No, I'm sure hostile forces would never take advantage of such a situation /s 'Russia and China target US protests on social media Both countries have flooded Twitter with hashtags and other content experts say is aimed at sowing dissent across the country.' https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-china-us-protests-social-media-twitter/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-china-us-protests-soc...
- fuoqi 6y ago
  No, everyone knows it's a Russian ploy. /s
  - growlist 6y ago
    Despite your sarcasm, there's evidence for both.
- dannyw 6y ago
  China is absolutely fuelling it on the digital space. For example, in a first, TikTok is elevating BLM protests, while continuing to ban and de-elevate HK protests: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-17/tiktok-loosens-grip-on-political-speech-for-black-lives-matter https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-17/tiktok-lo... And this is just an overt action.
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    Mention of Dalai Lama, Tibet, or anything that goes against the CCP is supposed to be removed by TikTok moderators. https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/gkte2w/tiktok_indian_moderators_recieve_guidelines_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/gkte2w/tiktok_...

cgh 6y ago

If you are curious about China's ambitions and possible future in the wake of the American pullback from the international order, I recommend the book "Disunited Nations". It also profiles Germany, Iran, France and various other interesting places.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

The US is the one refusing to sell to China here, how is China getting more ambitious or overconfident in the "chip war?"

namelosw 6y ago

It's hard to say now. It might work or just got busted at the end of the day.