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Isn’t the point of the application store to allow people to install their own platforms? It sounds like you are arguing that Apple shouldn’t allow apps which co

Isn’t the point of the application store to allow people to install their own platforms? It sounds like you are arguing that Apple shouldn’t allow apps which compete with their own offerings.

zepto 6y ago
No - I’m arguing that Apple is a platform which is sold as a safe and curated environment. They therefore should be allowed to prevent stores which seek to circumvent that curation. Many customers want a closed, managed platform. For those who want an open platform, one is available in the form of Android. Let’s stop trying to take that choice away.
- happymellon 6y ago
  Android isn't an open environment. There are many restrictions imposed on software installed outside of their Play Store.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Then why are the complaints only about Apple? If we want openness then we need to say exactly what it means. Does it mean all platforms that allow software installation must not prevent arbitrary code from being installed? Does it mean all hardware must permit alternative operating systems to be installed. This is my preferred option because it would open the door for a genuinely open platform to be developed by the community rather than maintaining the power of the giant corporations.
    - happymellon 6y ago
      I would assume because Facebook was rejected by Apple, not Google. But it's also not even at the same scale, as far as I understand Google Android limits background activity of side loaded apps. Android is open source and so handset makes can code exceptions in such as Samsung and the Samsung store, Amazon and the Amazon store or Huawei and the Huawei store. If you wanted to replace the preloaded Android with a custom ROM for your own store, you can (based on bootloader locking). Apple says fuck you.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Why don’t we see an open Android ecosystem then with a superior environment for developers then? If it’s so easy to make a better store, you’d think someone would have made it for Android.
        happymellon 6y ago
        We are. Check out the Pinephone.
        zepto 6y ago
        Very cool. I wasn’t aware of this. I wish more energy went into ‘Support projects like PinePhone’ rather than legislate against Apple.

Isn’t the point of the application store to allow people to install their own platforms? It sounds like you are arguing that Apple shouldn’t allow apps which compete with their own offerings.

zepto 6y ago

No - I’m arguing that Apple is a platform which is sold as a safe and curated environment. They therefore should be allowed to prevent stores which seek to circumvent that curation. Many customers want a closed, managed platform. For those who want an open platform, one is available in the form of Android. Let’s stop trying to take that choice away.

happymellon 6y ago
Android isn't an open environment. There are many restrictions imposed on software installed outside of their Play Store.
- zepto 6y ago
  Then why are the complaints only about Apple? If we want openness then we need to say exactly what it means. Does it mean all platforms that allow software installation must not prevent arbitrary code from being installed? Does it mean all hardware must permit alternative operating systems to be installed. This is my preferred option because it would open the door for a genuinely open platform to be developed by the community rather than maintaining the power of the giant corporations.
  - happymellon 6y ago
    I would assume because Facebook was rejected by Apple, not Google. But it's also not even at the same scale, as far as I understand Google Android limits background activity of side loaded apps. Android is open source and so handset makes can code exceptions in such as Samsung and the Samsung store, Amazon and the Amazon store or Huawei and the Huawei store. If you wanted to replace the preloaded Android with a custom ROM for your own store, you can (based on bootloader locking). Apple says fuck you.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Why don’t we see an open Android ecosystem then with a superior environment for developers then? If it’s so easy to make a better store, you’d think someone would have made it for Android.
      - happymellon 6y ago
        We are. Check out the Pinephone.
        zepto 6y ago
        Very cool. I wasn’t aware of this. I wish more energy went into ‘Support projects like PinePhone’ rather than legislate against Apple.