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Think that's pretty much why people are torching cop cars. You'd have to get up pretty early to prove that person is a danger to society, but now their whole l
by jethro_tell 6y ago
Think that's pretty much why people are torching cop cars. You'd have to get up pretty early to prove that person is a danger to society, but now their whole life is fucked which doesn't help anyone. We could however use a few hours a week to pickup park trash to better society and the lesson would probably be learned.
- noxer 6y agoHow much does a trash picker make per day? I assume it would take many year of trash picking to pay off that car.
- jethro_tell 6y agoThat's true. Now take the value of a free trash picker and compare that against what we pay for incarceration for 5 years + the cost of the car. One is way more expensive. I'm not even against someone having to pay for the car a few dollars for the rest of their life. But you're not getting repayment for the car while someone is in prison.
- google234123 6y agoIt's a deterrent for the next person that thinks about torching a police car
- elliekelly 6y agoIs it though? I’m willing to bet she put zero thought into the consequences of her actions before she (allegedly) picked up the burning piece of wood and stuck it in the back of a cop car.
- noxer 6y agoVery unlikely tbh, but let her work an pay it of would certainly also have that effect if it gets a bit media attention. I don't live in the US but I know someone who spray painted trains at night for a few year. That eventually did cost him a decent car. Obviously not as much as he caused damage over the years but enough to make some teens think twice whether a nice car or temporary colored train are their short term goals.
- jethro_tell 6y agoIf she knew what the cost was, I'd guess she wouldn't make the same mistake. In the same way we don't punish people for the crimes of their parents, should we then punish people for crimes yet to be committed?
- drocer88 6y agohttps://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-...
- rootusrootus 6y agoShe's kinda fucked either way. Even a misdemeanor would be annoying to have to explain every time she wanted a job, a felony would just about guarantee she'd only ever be able to be an entrepreneur. But otherwise I agree, skip jail, just hit her with a treasury offset for the cost of the car along with a suitable extra for penalty. She'll get the message for a long time.
- jethro_tell 6y agoany time we can skip paying for incarceration, I'm fine with that. With the exception of people who pose a risk to society.
- hirundo 6y ago> But otherwise I agree, skip jail, just hit her with a treasury offset for the cost of the car along with a suitable extra for penalty. Then if someone can't pay it back, you either have to 1) not penalize them, making poverty equal immunity, or 2) jail them, making it jail for the poor and a fine for the rich. Neither seems fair.
- jethro_tell 6y agoYou can garnish wages at 1-2 percent. The goal isn't getting repayment, and when you factor against the cost of incarceration, not sending someone to prison for five years is a wash. From what I've read, the average cost of incarceration costs about 70k. Probably enough to pay for the car in one year. So the minimum sentence of 5 years is going to run 1.2 mil while the inmate can't pay because best case they make $1-2 an hour. It's far more costly to incarcerate than to get repayment for almost everything. It's still more costly to incarcerate than to just forgive the debt and make it painful enough to not repeat.
- hirundo 6y agoSo unemployment equals immunity?
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