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Apparently she picked up an already burning piece of wood and threw it in. So it's less likely that she left the house that morning with the intent of torching

by koyote 6y ago

Apparently she picked up an already burning piece of wood and threw it in. So it's less likely that she left the house that morning with the intent of torching cars. In the moment, with everyone and everthing going on around her, I doubt she was thinking rationally or even knew that torching a car would be a long prison sentence. (if someone asked me before reading this article, I would have assumed a large fine + some community service maybe; then again I am not American so I have no idea how sentences compare).

reaperducer 6y ago
In the moment, with everyone and everthing going on around her, I doubt she was thinking rationally or even knew that torching a car would be a long prison sentence "Everyone else was doing it" didn't fly with my mom, and probably won't get a pass from Judge Wapner, either.
- tejtm 6y ago
  It passes with enforcement among themselves
- koyote 6y ago
  Herd mentality is a thing though and I would not be surprised if a judge took that into account when sentencing.
  - hackermailman 6y ago
    It's much more likely you will be made the example, because you were the only person caught torching two police cars. I realize these things are symbolic and all but anybody who's actually been to a prison would never recklessly endanger their freedom wasting it on burning taxpayer money which is infinite in supply. Those cars will be replaced tomorrow while you go to prison for years. If you want to bring down the system get a majority of people to stop paying taxes then you get the Bernie Madoff club fed don't arson a cruiser you're just playing into the state's hands and getting a violent offender custody status now you have to fend for yourself against experienced violent criminals constantly trying to steal your commissary or provoke you into doing more time. It's not just that you go to prison, it's that you get more time added as a 'normal' non career criminal who now has to deal with prof criminals daily or getting crossed out from work assignments by guards who are constantly on your ass and decide to increase your time or worse send you to a more high security prison where you are almost guaranteed to do more time. Anybody thinking of going outside and playing anarchist should know what they're getting themselves into, wait until your cellmate tells you that they're getting out in 2 months and you have to hold their contraband and weapons or the guards decide to put you in a high security yard because you're in there for something ridiculous like 'terroristic threats and arson'. You don't ever get out on schedule
- GurnBlandston 6y ago
  "Everyone else was doing it" is pretty close to "nobody else got in trouble for it". Which is the logic behind Qualified Immunity.
  - drocer88 6y ago
    No. The reasoning is to protect police from frivolous lawsuits and financial liability in cases where they acted in good faith in unclear situations. If you want to get rid of it, get rid of it for all government employees, including elected officials.
- d2v 6y ago
  Hey that defense worked in the Rodney King case. But she's not a cop, and was destroying police property, not a human being. So yeah, she'll probably get charged.
  - masonic 6y ago
    Are you unaware that Koon and Powell both went to Federal prison for the King beating? King survived, but two innocents were murdered by a black man who sought to assassinate Koon[0]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200604062152/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-24-mn-6703-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20200604062152/https://www.latim...
dx87 6y ago
I'm suprised at how long the sentence is. I knew someone in the military who got drunk and burned his ex-girlfriend's car, and he only got 6 months.
- rurp 6y ago
  My guess is that it being a police car dramatically increases the sentence and chance of being caught.
  - vkou 6y ago
    Meanwhile, if the police destroy your car, they don't even get charged. See the video of them slashing tires in Minneapolis. One law for them, another for us. If only the FBI used the same zeal in going after the perpetrators of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wk-mRv1Nlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wk-mRv1Nlo
  - jethro_tell 6y ago
    >chance of being caught. huh, because you almost never see the cops caught committing crimes with their own dash cams. Seems to always be off when they commit a crime in front of their car.
jethro_tell 6y ago
Think that's pretty much why people are torching cop cars. You'd have to get up pretty early to prove that person is a danger to society, but now their whole life is fucked which doesn't help anyone. We could however use a few hours a week to pickup park trash to better society and the lesson would probably be learned.
- noxer 6y ago
  How much does a trash picker make per day? I assume it would take many year of trash picking to pay off that car.
  - jethro_tell 6y ago
    That's true. Now take the value of a free trash picker and compare that against what we pay for incarceration for 5 years + the cost of the car. One is way more expensive. I'm not even against someone having to pay for the car a few dollars for the rest of their life. But you're not getting repayment for the car while someone is in prison.
    - google234123 6y ago
      It's a deterrent for the next person that thinks about torching a police car
      - elliekelly 6y ago
        Is it though? I’m willing to bet she put zero thought into the consequences of her actions before she (allegedly) picked up the burning piece of wood and stuck it in the back of a cop car.
      - noxer 6y ago
        Very unlikely tbh, but let her work an pay it of would certainly also have that effect if it gets a bit media attention. I don't live in the US but I know someone who spray painted trains at night for a few year. That eventually did cost him a decent car. Obviously not as much as he caused damage over the years but enough to make some teens think twice whether a nice car or temporary colored train are their short term goals.
catalogia 6y ago
> In the moment, with everyone and everthing going on around her, I doubt she was thinking rationally That phenomena is why I don't participate in this sort of events. The best way to avoid getting swept up in a mob mentality is to avoid the mob in the first place.
madengr 6y ago
Not in the video I saw. She was using a lighter and spray can to do the job.

by koyote 6y ago

reaperducer 6y ago

In the moment, with everyone and everthing going on around her, I doubt she was thinking rationally or even knew that torching a car would be a long prison sentence "Everyone else was doing it" didn't fly with my mom, and probably won't get a pass from Judge Wapner, either.

tejtm 6y ago
It passes with enforcement among themselves
koyote 6y ago
Herd mentality is a thing though and I would not be surprised if a judge took that into account when sentencing.
- hackermailman 6y ago
  It's much more likely you will be made the example, because you were the only person caught torching two police cars. I realize these things are symbolic and all but anybody who's actually been to a prison would never recklessly endanger their freedom wasting it on burning taxpayer money which is infinite in supply. Those cars will be replaced tomorrow while you go to prison for years. If you want to bring down the system get a majority of people to stop paying taxes then you get the Bernie Madoff club fed don't arson a cruiser you're just playing into the state's hands and getting a violent offender custody status now you have to fend for yourself against experienced violent criminals constantly trying to steal your commissary or provoke you into doing more time. It's not just that you go to prison, it's that you get more time added as a 'normal' non career criminal who now has to deal with prof criminals daily or getting crossed out from work assignments by guards who are constantly on your ass and decide to increase your time or worse send you to a more high security prison where you are almost guaranteed to do more time. Anybody thinking of going outside and playing anarchist should know what they're getting themselves into, wait until your cellmate tells you that they're getting out in 2 months and you have to hold their contraband and weapons or the guards decide to put you in a high security yard because you're in there for something ridiculous like 'terroristic threats and arson'. You don't ever get out on schedule
GurnBlandston 6y ago
"Everyone else was doing it" is pretty close to "nobody else got in trouble for it". Which is the logic behind Qualified Immunity.
- drocer88 6y ago
  No. The reasoning is to protect police from frivolous lawsuits and financial liability in cases where they acted in good faith in unclear situations. If you want to get rid of it, get rid of it for all government employees, including elected officials.
d2v 6y ago
Hey that defense worked in the Rodney King case. But she's not a cop, and was destroying police property, not a human being. So yeah, she'll probably get charged.
- masonic 6y ago
  Are you unaware that Koon and Powell both went to Federal prison for the King beating? King survived, but two innocents were murdered by a black man who sought to assassinate Koon[0]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20200604062152/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-24-mn-6703-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20200604062152/https://www.latim...

dx87 6y ago

I'm suprised at how long the sentence is. I knew someone in the military who got drunk and burned his ex-girlfriend's car, and he only got 6 months.

rurp 6y ago
My guess is that it being a police car dramatically increases the sentence and chance of being caught.
- vkou 6y ago
  Meanwhile, if the police destroy your car, they don't even get charged. See the video of them slashing tires in Minneapolis. One law for them, another for us. If only the FBI used the same zeal in going after the perpetrators of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wk-mRv1Nlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wk-mRv1Nlo
- jethro_tell 6y ago
  >chance of being caught. huh, because you almost never see the cops caught committing crimes with their own dash cams. Seems to always be off when they commit a crime in front of their car.

jethro_tell 6y ago

Think that's pretty much why people are torching cop cars. You'd have to get up pretty early to prove that person is a danger to society, but now their whole life is fucked which doesn't help anyone. We could however use a few hours a week to pickup park trash to better society and the lesson would probably be learned.

noxer 6y ago
How much does a trash picker make per day? I assume it would take many year of trash picking to pay off that car.
- jethro_tell 6y ago
  That's true. Now take the value of a free trash picker and compare that against what we pay for incarceration for 5 years + the cost of the car. One is way more expensive. I'm not even against someone having to pay for the car a few dollars for the rest of their life. But you're not getting repayment for the car while someone is in prison.
  - google234123 6y ago
    It's a deterrent for the next person that thinks about torching a police car
    - elliekelly 6y ago
      Is it though? I’m willing to bet she put zero thought into the consequences of her actions before she (allegedly) picked up the burning piece of wood and stuck it in the back of a cop car.
    - noxer 6y ago
      Very unlikely tbh, but let her work an pay it of would certainly also have that effect if it gets a bit media attention. I don't live in the US but I know someone who spray painted trains at night for a few year. That eventually did cost him a decent car. Obviously not as much as he caused damage over the years but enough to make some teens think twice whether a nice car or temporary colored train are their short term goals.

catalogia 6y ago

> In the moment, with everyone and everthing going on around her, I doubt she was thinking rationally That phenomena is why I don't participate in this sort of events. The best way to avoid getting swept up in a mob mentality is to avoid the mob in the first place.

madengr 6y ago

Not in the video I saw. She was using a lighter and spray can to do the job.