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I'm surprised that the people charged with investigating her clicked on every single link in google and read every review. That shirt is all over the internet.

I'm surprised that the people charged with investigating her clicked on every single link in google and read every review. That shirt is all over the internet. Seems like a needle in a haystack.

neonate 6y ago
Parallel construction? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
- Smoosh 6y ago
  I'm also suspicious that the article keeps emphasizing "amateur photos given to authorities" as if they are deliberately steering away from the term "police surveillance footage" or perhaps "images obtained by scanning social media". While I have no issue with police investigating lawbreakers, the public should know what the police are doing and how, so they can be confident that police are correctly following the law while executing their duty. But perhaps I'm reading too much into that wording, and in fact some protesters who took photos thought the arson was over-reach, so they supplied the photos to the police.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    You’re definitely right. This twitter thread uses excerpts from the charging documents to explain the steps the FBI took: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273098216775524355.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273098216775524355.html
    - icebraining 6y ago
      That thread suddenly disappeared, and one which is claimed to be a "reconstructed" copy in another profile has disappeared too, it's so weird. It's not like the original PDF isn't online still.
- nyolfen 6y ago
  this was my immediate suspicion as well; feds surely have cell tower records at the very least
- alrs 6y ago
  Parallel construction, I'm glad you beat me to it. This isn't quite "we correlated historic cellular records and the RFID tags in her shoes, but gave credit to a psychic medium," but it's pretty close.
- darkerside 6y ago
  Yikes. That good faith exception example is particularly troubling. I think the only way that should be construed as constitutional is if, when the illegal search was uncovered, it resulted in serious consequences for the offender. But I highly doubt that happens. System is broken.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  My thought as well. I did not know there was a name for it. Thank you.
- donmcronald 6y ago
  Yeah. It’s weird how I haven’t heard the word Stingray at all lately.
  - tedunangst 6y ago
    Stingray is the old model. The new model is called Crossbow.
- catsdanxe 6y ago
  I think the more plausable explaination is a FBI agent watched a few videos online. Ran a cellphone location/time query. Looked through the results and referenced owners drivers license photos. Then tried to find some way to explain it without tipping off rioters to not carry their phones with them. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/02/07/google-location-police-search-warrants https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/02/07/google-location-pol...
  - mindslight 6y ago
    In that explanation, this purported investigative chain would still require just as much work to create. That's a lot of effort just to deflect from cell phone surveillance, especially for a cop - an aggro type personality would just rely on downplaying the cell angle in the media, rather than spending time coming up with a plausible excuse. If there's an obfuscation of the actual investigation here, I'd guess it's more a hiding of highly automated tools that process open source intelligence, probably by policy of the federal agency with the tool. Imagine a FBI/DEA/NSA tool that links and summarizes social media activity based on identities. So facial recognition + cell database -> trail of pictures to craft a link-narrative, without the work of having to dig much or do automated facial recognition. Tangentially I wouldn't be surprised if declaring "antifa" a "terrorist" organization is actually an internal dog whistle that blesses the use of XKEYSCORE etc against American citizens.
Jarwain 6y ago
It's still a finite number of sites, and a finite number of comments. Could probably do a CTRL+F for Philadelphia across all of them relatively quickly. Or have tools to automate the search
vmception 6y ago
they went to a seller of it on etsy

I'm surprised that the people charged with investigating her clicked on every single link in google and read every review. That shirt is all over the internet. Seems like a needle in a haystack.

neonate 6y ago

Parallel construction? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

Smoosh 6y ago
I'm also suspicious that the article keeps emphasizing "amateur photos given to authorities" as if they are deliberately steering away from the term "police surveillance footage" or perhaps "images obtained by scanning social media". While I have no issue with police investigating lawbreakers, the public should know what the police are doing and how, so they can be confident that police are correctly following the law while executing their duty. But perhaps I'm reading too much into that wording, and in fact some protesters who took photos thought the arson was over-reach, so they supplied the photos to the police.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  You’re definitely right. This twitter thread uses excerpts from the charging documents to explain the steps the FBI took: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273098216775524355.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1273098216775524355.html
  - icebraining 6y ago
    That thread suddenly disappeared, and one which is claimed to be a "reconstructed" copy in another profile has disappeared too, it's so weird. It's not like the original PDF isn't online still.
nyolfen 6y ago
this was my immediate suspicion as well; feds surely have cell tower records at the very least
alrs 6y ago
Parallel construction, I'm glad you beat me to it. This isn't quite "we correlated historic cellular records and the RFID tags in her shoes, but gave credit to a psychic medium," but it's pretty close.
darkerside 6y ago
Yikes. That good faith exception example is particularly troubling. I think the only way that should be construed as constitutional is if, when the illegal search was uncovered, it resulted in serious consequences for the offender. But I highly doubt that happens. System is broken.
JKCalhoun 6y ago
My thought as well. I did not know there was a name for it. Thank you.
donmcronald 6y ago
Yeah. It’s weird how I haven’t heard the word Stingray at all lately.
- tedunangst 6y ago
  Stingray is the old model. The new model is called Crossbow.
catsdanxe 6y ago
I think the more plausable explaination is a FBI agent watched a few videos online. Ran a cellphone location/time query. Looked through the results and referenced owners drivers license photos. Then tried to find some way to explain it without tipping off rioters to not carry their phones with them. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/02/07/google-location-police-search-warrants https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/02/07/google-location-pol...
- mindslight 6y ago
  In that explanation, this purported investigative chain would still require just as much work to create. That's a lot of effort just to deflect from cell phone surveillance, especially for a cop - an aggro type personality would just rely on downplaying the cell angle in the media, rather than spending time coming up with a plausible excuse. If there's an obfuscation of the actual investigation here, I'd guess it's more a hiding of highly automated tools that process open source intelligence, probably by policy of the federal agency with the tool. Imagine a FBI/DEA/NSA tool that links and summarizes social media activity based on identities. So facial recognition + cell database -> trail of pictures to craft a link-narrative, without the work of having to dig much or do automated facial recognition. Tangentially I wouldn't be surprised if declaring "antifa" a "terrorist" organization is actually an internal dog whistle that blesses the use of XKEYSCORE etc against American citizens.

Jarwain 6y ago

It's still a finite number of sites, and a finite number of comments. Could probably do a CTRL+F for Philadelphia across all of them relatively quickly. Or have tools to automate the search

vmception 6y ago

they went to a seller of it on etsy