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No thanks! Currently China is using drugs to destabilize and damage the USA. Fentanyl is a weapon.

oneplane 6y ago
You know, education is also a weapon, as is financial enablement. Both are cheaper and have better results than arming the likes of the DEA and ICE, both of which have mixed results at best. Heck, even with all the money that they sink in to that, only a small part goes to the education of the people within those organisations, making it a problem stuck in a perpetual state of marginal benefits to keep it running in vicious circles. There will always be people that do bad things for the sake of doing bad things, but most of the abusive situations stem from a lack of basic physical and mental safety and the capability to resolve one's own problems.
- MintelIE 6y ago
  I’m just going to have to disagree with you there my Marxist-leaning friend. ICE and the DEA both serve extremely useful functions. You might feel that your opinion reflects the majority because of over-socialization with your in-group, but the majority of Americans believe in and support ICE, the DEA, and police and law enforcement. The Internet propagates messages to the contrary, reinforced by Marxist opinion shapers and hard lefties who seem to curate much of the digital content, but outside a few large metro areas these kinds of opinions aren’t valued at all.
pstuart 6y ago
> Fentanyl is a weapon No, it's a drug that has legitimate use cases. It's only being put out there "recreationally" because the illegal drug market is unregulated and "safer" drugs are not accessible. The War on Drugs was never about protecting people from self-harm. If you think otherwise, you're imposing some sort of moralistic revisionism. To promote ending this disaster is not the same as promoting drug use. It's about reducing the crime that it creates and make the world safer for everyone.
- MintelIE 6y ago
  I have to go ahead and disagree with you there on this point. The War On Drugs is intended to hurt violent street gangs, often foreign-based.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Have a source for that?
    - pstuart 6y ago
      That person is either a troll or an idiot; don't waste your time.
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  - pstuart 6y ago
    Ok boomer!
- Reelin 6y ago
  Slightly tangential - the safety of fentanyl isn't significantly different from any other opiate. The issue isn't the chemical itself but rather the huge difference in dosage combined with the unreliable nature of the black market. If you know what you have is a specific concentration of fentanyl, you can measure out a safe dose. If you know what you have is a specific concentration of heroin, you can do the same. If what you have could be either fentanyl or heroin and you have no idea what the concentration of either might be, then there's no straightforward way to consume it safely.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    Using fentanyl for recreation is wrong on so many levels. It wouldn't be a topic of discussion now if opioid users had safer and better alternatives. Disclaimer: I'm not a recreational opioid user. My brother, on the other hand, was an opioid addict who died of a heroin overdose. This topic is personal to me.
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You know, education is also a weapon, as is financial enablement. Both are cheaper and have better results than arming the likes of the DEA and ICE, both of which have mixed results at best. Heck, even with all the money that they sink in to that, only a small part goes to the education of the people within those organisations, making it a problem stuck in a perpetual state of marginal benefits to keep it running in vicious circles. There will always be people that do bad things for the sake of doing bad things, but most of the abusive situations stem from a lack of basic physical and mental safety and the capability to resolve one's own problems.

MintelIE 6y ago
I’m just going to have to disagree with you there my Marxist-leaning friend. ICE and the DEA both serve extremely useful functions. You might feel that your opinion reflects the majority because of over-socialization with your in-group, but the majority of Americans believe in and support ICE, the DEA, and police and law enforcement. The Internet propagates messages to the contrary, reinforced by Marxist opinion shapers and hard lefties who seem to curate much of the digital content, but outside a few large metro areas these kinds of opinions aren’t valued at all.

pstuart 6y ago

> Fentanyl is a weapon No, it's a drug that has legitimate use cases. It's only being put out there "recreationally" because the illegal drug market is unregulated and "safer" drugs are not accessible. The War on Drugs was never about protecting people from self-harm. If you think otherwise, you're imposing some sort of moralistic revisionism. To promote ending this disaster is not the same as promoting drug use. It's about reducing the crime that it creates and make the world safer for everyone.

MintelIE 6y ago
I have to go ahead and disagree with you there on this point. The War On Drugs is intended to hurt violent street gangs, often foreign-based.
- Shared404 6y ago
  Have a source for that?
  - pstuart 6y ago
    That person is either a troll or an idiot; don't waste your time.
- deleted 6y ago
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- pstuart 6y ago
  Ok boomer!
Reelin 6y ago
Slightly tangential - the safety of fentanyl isn't significantly different from any other opiate. The issue isn't the chemical itself but rather the huge difference in dosage combined with the unreliable nature of the black market. If you know what you have is a specific concentration of fentanyl, you can measure out a safe dose. If you know what you have is a specific concentration of heroin, you can do the same. If what you have could be either fentanyl or heroin and you have no idea what the concentration of either might be, then there's no straightforward way to consume it safely.
- pstuart 6y ago
  Using fentanyl for recreation is wrong on so many levels. It wouldn't be a topic of discussion now if opioid users had safer and better alternatives. Disclaimer: I'm not a recreational opioid user. My brother, on the other hand, was an opioid addict who died of a heroin overdose. This topic is personal to me.

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