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what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling" A couple years ago I dubbed this trend "Flanders C

by kirse 6y ago

what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling" A couple years ago I dubbed this trend "Flanders Computing" [1]. I haven't really given much thought about its origins, but it's probably got to do with the increasing demand for happiness that we Americans hold dear. Collectively I think it's entered the American psyche that the answer to happiness is to avoid anything that makes us anxious or uncomfortable, which results in that toddler-level approach in many things. i.e. Ban things labeled "toxic", ban the boo-boos, keep everyone safe with happy feelings in this space only. But admittedly my thoughts are incomplete. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353106

atulatul 6y ago
>increasing demand for happiness that we Americans hold dear "The problem is not that we want to be happy; it is that we want to be happier." Not my own observation. But I like it.
- philipov 6y ago
  Maybe that's because our sensory systems can't really feel states, only differences between states. Hot only exists in comparison to our memory of cold. Without that comparison, there is simply numbness. If that's a general principle, it implies that happiness can only be felt as an improvement over the past. That would also explain why sadness is necessary for us to be able to feel happiness, and why we're attracted to tragic art. Someone who is the same level of happy all the time will become numb to it, but constantly becoming happier is unsustainable in the same way as a drug addiction.
_def 6y ago
Your comment reminds me of a great quote: "The desire for more positive experience is in itself a negative experience. And, paradoxically, the acceptance of one's negative experience is itself a positive experience." from "The Subtle Art Of Not Giving A Fuck" by Mark Mason
- glouwbug 6y ago
  Sounds like new age stoicism? Roman philosophers, 2000 years ago, were teaching us to curb our desires for they ultimately lead to dissapointment when things don't work out. The Enchiridion of Epictetus is a good place to start. You'll also learn how to feel when your favorite mug drops, or when a friend pokes your eye in a wrestling match - spoiler: the answer is not giving it a fuck (for lack of a better term).
TimTheTinker 6y ago
> I think it's entered the American psyche that the answer to happiness is to avoid anything that makes us anxious or uncomfortable Yes. For examples of this trend, look no further than American college campuses, especially in the liberal arts. "Microagressions", "safe spaces", ... it does sound like a lot of people feel untenably fragile when entering the marketplace of ideas.
- ashildr 6y ago
  Yesterday‘s bullies on the schoolbus are repainting themselves to be today’s contenders on a “marketplace of ideas“, so they can argue they are an oppressed majority. MAGA!
tekromancr 6y ago
> Ban things labeled "toxic", ban the boo-boos, keep everyone safe with happy feelings in this space only. But admittedly my thoughts are incomplete. I think your thoughts are incomplete. What they are missing is the knowledge of and empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >What they are missing is the knowledge of and empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors. Don't worry, most people asking for such bans don't have any real empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors either. And inversely, most people who are actually harmed, don't care for such bans, they prefer substantive and inherent (felt and voluntary) changes, not bans.
- denkmoon 6y ago
  Think of the children won't you!
- growlist 6y ago
  But then plenty of the same people that seek to police speech online and to claim the moral high ground are capable of and comfortable with quite horrible and unjustified forms of harassment, e.g. extreme levels of doxxing, getting people sacked for hurty tweets, even hounding people to suicide. Let's not pretend there aren't plenty of cynics that employ woke culture to sinister ends.

by kirse 6y ago

atulatul 6y ago

>increasing demand for happiness that we Americans hold dear "The problem is not that we want to be happy; it is that we want to be happier." Not my own observation. But I like it.

philipov 6y ago
Maybe that's because our sensory systems can't really feel states, only differences between states. Hot only exists in comparison to our memory of cold. Without that comparison, there is simply numbness. If that's a general principle, it implies that happiness can only be felt as an improvement over the past. That would also explain why sadness is necessary for us to be able to feel happiness, and why we're attracted to tragic art. Someone who is the same level of happy all the time will become numb to it, but constantly becoming happier is unsustainable in the same way as a drug addiction.

_def 6y ago

Your comment reminds me of a great quote: "The desire for more positive experience is in itself a negative experience. And, paradoxically, the acceptance of one's negative experience is itself a positive experience." from "The Subtle Art Of Not Giving A Fuck" by Mark Mason

glouwbug 6y ago
Sounds like new age stoicism? Roman philosophers, 2000 years ago, were teaching us to curb our desires for they ultimately lead to dissapointment when things don't work out. The Enchiridion of Epictetus is a good place to start. You'll also learn how to feel when your favorite mug drops, or when a friend pokes your eye in a wrestling match - spoiler: the answer is not giving it a fuck (for lack of a better term).

TimTheTinker 6y ago

> I think it's entered the American psyche that the answer to happiness is to avoid anything that makes us anxious or uncomfortable Yes. For examples of this trend, look no further than American college campuses, especially in the liberal arts. "Microagressions", "safe spaces", ... it does sound like a lot of people feel untenably fragile when entering the marketplace of ideas.

ashildr 6y ago
Yesterday‘s bullies on the schoolbus are repainting themselves to be today’s contenders on a “marketplace of ideas“, so they can argue they are an oppressed majority. MAGA!

tekromancr 6y ago

> Ban things labeled "toxic", ban the boo-boos, keep everyone safe with happy feelings in this space only. But admittedly my thoughts are incomplete. I think your thoughts are incomplete. What they are missing is the knowledge of and empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors.

coldtea 6y ago
>What they are missing is the knowledge of and empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors. Don't worry, most people asking for such bans don't have any real empathy for people who are actually harmed by these behaviors either. And inversely, most people who are actually harmed, don't care for such bans, they prefer substantive and inherent (felt and voluntary) changes, not bans.
denkmoon 6y ago
Think of the children won't you!
growlist 6y ago
But then plenty of the same people that seek to police speech online and to claim the moral high ground are capable of and comfortable with quite horrible and unjustified forms of harassment, e.g. extreme levels of doxxing, getting people sacked for hurty tweets, even hounding people to suicide. Let's not pretend there aren't plenty of cynics that employ woke culture to sinister ends.