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> People should be allowed to run whatever software they want on the hardware they bought. They didn't buy hardware, they bought an ecosystem experience. And

> People should be allowed to run whatever software they want on the hardware they bought. They didn't buy hardware, they bought an ecosystem experience. And anyway, we don't hold that principle across all devices with code in them. - Including microwaves or refrigerators? - What about game consoles? - What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? The iPhone and iPad are in a new "What's a computer?" category: appliances.

mjburgess 6y ago
> They didn't buy hardware, they bought an ecosystem experience Repeating the propaganda of one of the largest corporations in the world, I think, does little to advance the argument. In any sane modern system of property rights, people bought the hardware. That entails ownership of the device. Presently there is a disconnect between hardware purchase and ownership that does not occur with non-software goods. This is a legal oversight. The "right to repair" and "right to modify" etc. did not need to be explicitly granted historically because there was no disconnect. Today they do, and so they should. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? The law prevents pollution, not EULAs.
- Terretta 6y ago
  It’s not propaganda. It’s the early steps to “I, Robot”. Italian for soul is ‘anima’, that which brings the body to life. The human mind, body, and soul are one, so too the mind, body, and soul of the machine — for machines that benefit from soul.
linuxftw 6y ago
Yes, all of these things should have free software. There's been much written on this subject, especially by the FSF and GNU: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html > And anyway, we don't hold that principle across all devices with code in them. Who is this we? I hold that principle and so do many free software advocates. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? Tampering with and disabling emissions systems is already illegal.
matheusmoreira 6y ago
> Including microwaves or refrigerators? Yes. > What about game consoles? Absolutely. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? That too. Whoever wrote the software must take responsibility for the impact it causes on society. If the car manufacturer's code is defective and causing excessive emissions, the car company will be held accountable for that. Same reasoning can be applied to others. If the user replaced the company's well-tested software with their own, the user should be held accountable for the results. If some car performance tuning business wrote custom software for cars, they should be held accountable for the results. Give people power and allow them to take responsibility for their actions. People should be free to accept whatever defaults they get but they should also have the power to change things if they want to.

mjburgess 6y ago

> They didn't buy hardware, they bought an ecosystem experience Repeating the propaganda of one of the largest corporations in the world, I think, does little to advance the argument. In any sane modern system of property rights, people bought the hardware. That entails ownership of the device. Presently there is a disconnect between hardware purchase and ownership that does not occur with non-software goods. This is a legal oversight. The "right to repair" and "right to modify" etc. did not need to be explicitly granted historically because there was no disconnect. Today they do, and so they should. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? The law prevents pollution, not EULAs.

Terretta 6y ago
It’s not propaganda. It’s the early steps to “I, Robot”. Italian for soul is ‘anima’, that which brings the body to life. The human mind, body, and soul are one, so too the mind, body, and soul of the machine — for machines that benefit from soul.

linuxftw 6y ago

Yes, all of these things should have free software. There's been much written on this subject, especially by the FSF and GNU: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html > And anyway, we don't hold that principle across all devices with code in them. Who is this we? I hold that principle and so do many free software advocates. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? Tampering with and disabling emissions systems is already illegal.

matheusmoreira 6y ago

> Including microwaves or refrigerators? Yes. > What about game consoles? Absolutely. > What about the emissions control systems in our automobiles where bad code causes cancer? That too. Whoever wrote the software must take responsibility for the impact it causes on society. If the car manufacturer's code is defective and causing excessive emissions, the car company will be held accountable for that. Same reasoning can be applied to others. If the user replaced the company's well-tested software with their own, the user should be held accountable for the results. If some car performance tuning business wrote custom software for cars, they should be held accountable for the results. Give people power and allow them to take responsibility for their actions. People should be free to accept whatever defaults they get but they should also have the power to change things if they want to.