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13 years of the iPhone being the most popular consumer product in the history of the universe would seem to suggest that sideloading is not "a must"; indeed, so

by Bud 6y ago

13 years of the iPhone being the most popular consumer product in the history of the universe would seem to suggest that sideloading is not "a must"; indeed, some might say it suggests the opposite: that sideloading is in fact a huge plus and part of why the ecosystem is succeeding so well and users' security and stability of their devices is so superior to competing products.

MereInterest 6y ago
Fine. Installing custom software is not an economic "must", but is a moral "must". If I have bought a device, then it is mine to run whatever software I want on it, and the manufacturer of the device has no moral claim over it.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  To me it's just a monopoly abusing its position.
  - ajconway 6y ago
    But Apple is not a monopoly.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
      Yeah right. Just today's search in DDG news for 'apple monopoly': https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+monopoly&atb=v194-1&iar=news&ia=news https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+monopoly&atb=v194-1&iar=news...
- criddell 6y ago
  If you agree to not side-load software via some EULA, does that change the moral calculus for you?
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
iPhone is in no way superior to competing products. It can't even run an SSH terminal in a background app! As for success, some slaves do seem to love their chains, if they are shiny enough.
- criddell 6y ago
  That's like saying a Camry is better than a Ferrari because it has more cup holders.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    Actually, Camry is better because it is a car that you can actually drive where I live, unlike Ferrari. However, car metaphors aside, my work requires apps that maintain persistent connection with server. When I carry a supercomputer in my pocket that can totally outperform my PC from 1993 by a factor of 500x or more, I kinda expect it to be able perform basic computing tasks that it is perfectly capable of, hardware-wise. And the only reason I can't is because Apple forbids me, styling it as 'care' about my battery life.
    - criddell 6y ago
      Do you think about your phone differently than a gaming console or a DVR?

by Bud 6y ago

MereInterest 6y ago

Fine. Installing custom software is not an economic "must", but is a moral "must". If I have bought a device, then it is mine to run whatever software I want on it, and the manufacturer of the device has no moral claim over it.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
To me it's just a monopoly abusing its position.
- ajconway 6y ago
  But Apple is not a monopoly.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    Yeah right. Just today's search in DDG news for 'apple monopoly': https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+monopoly&atb=v194-1&iar=news&ia=news https://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+monopoly&atb=v194-1&iar=news...
criddell 6y ago
If you agree to not side-load software via some EULA, does that change the moral calculus for you?

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

iPhone is in no way superior to competing products. It can't even run an SSH terminal in a background app! As for success, some slaves do seem to love their chains, if they are shiny enough.

criddell 6y ago
That's like saying a Camry is better than a Ferrari because it has more cup holders.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  Actually, Camry is better because it is a car that you can actually drive where I live, unlike Ferrari. However, car metaphors aside, my work requires apps that maintain persistent connection with server. When I carry a supercomputer in my pocket that can totally outperform my PC from 1993 by a factor of 500x or more, I kinda expect it to be able perform basic computing tasks that it is perfectly capable of, hardware-wise. And the only reason I can't is because Apple forbids me, styling it as 'care' about my battery life.
  - criddell 6y ago
    Do you think about your phone differently than a gaming console or a DVR?