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> why anyone should use the AppStore as a distribution channel to a huge market and completely circumvent Apple's cut There's no other option. It's not possibl

> why anyone should use the AppStore as a distribution channel to a huge market and completely circumvent Apple's cut There's no other option. It's not possible to sideload apps. Developers are obliged to use appstore. Regarding payments, the developers are not only obliged to have a way to pay with Apple (would be okay), they are obliged to not have another way. Your argument is "I like pepsi, therefore I'm fine with the fact that no one can buy coca-cola".

FirefoxIsSlow 6y ago
Make a web app? That's what I do to avoid giving Apple money.
- rydre 6y ago
  Apple deliberately hinders Progressive Web Applications on iOS Safari, effectively stifling innovation. Look at how many requests are there on WebKit to implement many of the features/API's required. They don't even allow competing browser engines. Chrome, Firefox etc on iOS are just wrappers around Safari.
  - FirefoxIsSlow 6y ago
    Wow it really sounds bad to own Apple products.
  - dhimes 6y ago
    This is where I think they might be legally vulnerable, if anywhere. Especially since Jobs initially answers the shocked reaction of 30% by "it's no big deal everybody is going to make web apps anyway."
ryanwaggoner 6y ago
And yours is like “I don’t like Pepsi but this restaurant I like only serves Pepsi, so I want the government to force them to serve Coca-Cola, instead of just going to another restaurant.”
- peterwoerner 6y ago
  No its more like, “I don’t like Pepsi but all the restaurants in town only serves Pepsi, so I want the government to force them to serve Coca-Cola, because I can't just go to another restaurant.”
  - ryanwaggoner 6y ago
    What is the “town” supposed to be here? People? People with smartphones? Nah, can’t be those, because you’re ignoring Android and the open web as alternatives to Apple. So I assume you mean “people with iPhones”. I always find it amusing when the boundaries for monopoly are drawn around the set of the customers of a company. By that logic, every company is a monopoly! United Airlines has a monopoly on every customers that flies in one of their airplanes. How dare they only offer a certain brand of snack! They’re extorting their customers who have no choice!
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      Teens in the US are a market unto themselves. The iPhone has somewhere between 80-90% market share with them. Even outside of teens, they're at close to 50% and you don't need a strict majority in order to have control over the market. That's why, legally, you don't need a strict majority to be considered a monopoly. Next.
      - ryanwaggoner 6y ago
        None of that is how anti-trust works.
        wayneftw 6y ago
        Yes, it is. You can read about it here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_power#Measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_power#Measurement
        6y ago
dustinmoris 6y ago
Your analogy is wrong. This is a corrected version. I like pepsi (Visa Credit card), others like other drinks, such as coca-cola (Amex Credit card), or Sprite (Mastercard Debit card), or Fanta (Prepaid card), etc. I want to walk into a shop which allows me to drink any of the above legitimate drinks, but nothing dodgy, such as that toxic brew which someone has prepared in their dirty garage which makes people throw up (e.g. Bitcoin). So instead of having to verify each drink myself I want to go to a shop where this has been done for me by a gatekeeper. If that gatekeeper forces all payment options through their own gate (Apple Pay) in order to make sure that there is no funny business going on, then I am 100% supportive of it. You can still have you coca cola if you want and I my pepsi. Just don't ask me to drink something which looks like pepsi but could be some other dog shit (allow other payment gateways which are not apple pay and all sorts of dodge shit can happen then).

FirefoxIsSlow 6y ago

Make a web app? That's what I do to avoid giving Apple money.

rydre 6y ago
Apple deliberately hinders Progressive Web Applications on iOS Safari, effectively stifling innovation. Look at how many requests are there on WebKit to implement many of the features/API's required. They don't even allow competing browser engines. Chrome, Firefox etc on iOS are just wrappers around Safari.
- FirefoxIsSlow 6y ago
  Wow it really sounds bad to own Apple products.
- dhimes 6y ago
  This is where I think they might be legally vulnerable, if anywhere. Especially since Jobs initially answers the shocked reaction of 30% by "it's no big deal everybody is going to make web apps anyway."

ryanwaggoner 6y ago

And yours is like “I don’t like Pepsi but this restaurant I like only serves Pepsi, so I want the government to force them to serve Coca-Cola, instead of just going to another restaurant.”

peterwoerner 6y ago
No its more like, “I don’t like Pepsi but all the restaurants in town only serves Pepsi, so I want the government to force them to serve Coca-Cola, because I can't just go to another restaurant.”
- ryanwaggoner 6y ago
  What is the “town” supposed to be here? People? People with smartphones? Nah, can’t be those, because you’re ignoring Android and the open web as alternatives to Apple. So I assume you mean “people with iPhones”. I always find it amusing when the boundaries for monopoly are drawn around the set of the customers of a company. By that logic, every company is a monopoly! United Airlines has a monopoly on every customers that flies in one of their airplanes. How dare they only offer a certain brand of snack! They’re extorting their customers who have no choice!
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    Teens in the US are a market unto themselves. The iPhone has somewhere between 80-90% market share with them. Even outside of teens, they're at close to 50% and you don't need a strict majority in order to have control over the market. That's why, legally, you don't need a strict majority to be considered a monopoly. Next.
    - ryanwaggoner 6y ago
      None of that is how anti-trust works.
      - wayneftw 6y ago
        Yes, it is. You can read about it here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_power#Measurement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_power#Measurement
        6y ago

dustinmoris 6y ago

Your analogy is wrong. This is a corrected version. I like pepsi (Visa Credit card), others like other drinks, such as coca-cola (Amex Credit card), or Sprite (Mastercard Debit card), or Fanta (Prepaid card), etc. I want to walk into a shop which allows me to drink any of the above legitimate drinks, but nothing dodgy, such as that toxic brew which someone has prepared in their dirty garage which makes people throw up (e.g. Bitcoin). So instead of having to verify each drink myself I want to go to a shop where this has been done for me by a gatekeeper. If that gatekeeper forces all payment options through their own gate (Apple Pay) in order to make sure that there is no funny business going on, then I am 100% supportive of it. You can still have you coca cola if you want and I my pepsi. Just don't ask me to drink something which looks like pepsi but could be some other dog shit (allow other payment gateways which are not apple pay and all sorts of dodge shit can happen then).