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To anywhere near the extent women's are, no. I'm surprised and disappointed to still be seeing this "all lives matter" rubbish after everything that's been goi

To anywhere near the extent women's are, no. I'm surprised and disappointed to still be seeing this "all lives matter" rubbish after everything that's been going on the last few weeks.

chownie 6y ago
100% disagree. Male models have similar unhealthy standards, there's just no social expectation that they shouldn't. A comment elsewhere lists common conditions for male models. They have to pre-pump before pictures so muscles are more visible, dehydrate to increase vascularity, etc. That comment doesn't mention the editing in post. Hairlines and teeth are corrected in post, hands are increased in size, forearms are warped to match the hands, waists are squashed to give an unrealistic hip/chest ratio.. pretty much an exact analog to what we do for female models. I think it's a bit myopic to say this is an "all lives matter" scenario, we have social pressure to reduce the pressures put on women in the media. No such push-back exists for men (yet) despite body dysmorphic disorder affecting men and women equally.
- J-dawg 6y ago
  Great comment. It's also kind of weird that people get hung up about the photoshopping, when literally nothing about how those photos are taken is "real". You're taking someone who is already the top 1% of physical beauty (who may have fasted / dehydrated themselves), giving them professionally styled hair and makeup, flattering lighting, making the clothes fit more perfectly than they ever could normally (e.g. pinned at the back out of sight)... ...then having an expert photographer take 1000s of photos and only choosing the top 1% of those photos. Before you even think about post processing! It's definitely kinda weird but it's bizarre that anyone sees it as an expectation. It's a fantasy.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    We are in many ways simple creatures. We see images and respond. And now we throw our greatest minds at work to add machine learning into the mix, to extract that consumer potential from us all to the fullest.

To anywhere near the extent women's are, no. I'm surprised and disappointed to still be seeing this "all lives matter" rubbish after everything that's been going on the last few weeks.

chownie 6y ago

100% disagree. Male models have similar unhealthy standards, there's just no social expectation that they shouldn't. A comment elsewhere lists common conditions for male models. They have to pre-pump before pictures so muscles are more visible, dehydrate to increase vascularity, etc. That comment doesn't mention the editing in post. Hairlines and teeth are corrected in post, hands are increased in size, forearms are warped to match the hands, waists are squashed to give an unrealistic hip/chest ratio.. pretty much an exact analog to what we do for female models. I think it's a bit myopic to say this is an "all lives matter" scenario, we have social pressure to reduce the pressures put on women in the media. No such push-back exists for men (yet) despite body dysmorphic disorder affecting men and women equally.

J-dawg 6y ago
Great comment. It's also kind of weird that people get hung up about the photoshopping, when literally nothing about how those photos are taken is "real". You're taking someone who is already the top 1% of physical beauty (who may have fasted / dehydrated themselves), giving them professionally styled hair and makeup, flattering lighting, making the clothes fit more perfectly than they ever could normally (e.g. pinned at the back out of sight)... ...then having an expert photographer take 1000s of photos and only choosing the top 1% of those photos. Before you even think about post processing! It's definitely kinda weird but it's bizarre that anyone sees it as an expectation. It's a fantasy.
- jacobush 6y ago
  We are in many ways simple creatures. We see images and respond. And now we throw our greatest minds at work to add machine learning into the mix, to extract that consumer potential from us all to the fullest.