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> Alright then allow easy installation of other App-stores and distibution channels > If the Apple Store brings that much value, outside of their mandated use,

> Alright then allow easy installation of other App-stores and distibution channels > If the Apple Store brings that much value, outside of their mandated use, then the other app stores will fail anyway so... No, this only benefits dodgy bullshit developers doing bullshit things. The fact that there is only one, very well guarded and fenced AppStore IS a great feature for consumers. As a father I'd buy my kids an iPhone and not an Android, because I know that only way they will be able to get an app on their phone is through a store which has consumers, consumer ethics and protection at the forefront of their mind, not the desire to please developers trying to constantly push the border and slowly do more dodgy shit and trick a minor into some bullshit which they can't tell the difference from the good stuff. EDIT: There is a huge market of consumers who value their own protection and the protection of their families A LOT more than IAP margins for developers. If you want to sell your stuff to that consumer group then you have to play by their rules, can't demand them to lower their standards so you can get it your way.

syshum 6y ago
>>very well guarded and fenced AppStore IS a great feature for consumers. it is always amusing when people attempt to paint anti-consumer features as pro consumer... >>As a father I'd Really, you are going for "think of the children" defense of anti-consumer policy. Classic For decades electronics have had all manner of Child protection features, it is trivial to prevent the installation of apps, or even other apps stores from unapproved users, and a child should not have the authority to install any apps, form the Apple store or not In enterprise system administration we have been doing this on computers for decades preventing unauthorized applications or users from installing things That is a solved problem and in no way is a locked down controlled by apple ecosystem required to archive parental controls on the device Edit: >There is a huge market of consumers who value their own protection and the protection of their families A LOT more than IAP margins for developers I am sure they do, I am sure they do not care about the devs at all, that is clear from your position. If the consumer cares about this soo much then it should not be a problem for them to bear the cost of this not the devs, if the value of the Apple store is the Security and Privacy of the store then the consumer not the dev should pay for that. A 30% fee added to the price of the app charged to the CUSTOMER then should be the fair payment method, not extorting 30% of revenue from the dev I have a feeling that both you and apple know that most consumers would not put the value of that service at 30% though this is why they extort the devs not the customer
camhart 6y ago
Apple has a bad track record with parental control and other "be safe online" apps, crippling them in the name of privacy. I'd never recommend an iPhone for a child.
- threeseed 6y ago
  Yes shame on Apple for being concerned about parental apps that were capturing children's browser and usage data and sending it to remote servers. Because companies can always be trusted to never monetize data.
  - camhart 6y ago
    There's a lot of "bad" that can occur on smartphones beyond companies selling user data. While that should be a concern, I'd guess other things are more important to most parents.
- AnonC 6y ago
  What exactly is bad about Apple’s track record “in the name of privacy”? If anything, we need Android to take privacy more seriously and not leave it be the privilege of some power users who can keep tweaking things.
Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
> The fact that there is only one, very well guarded and fenced AppStore IS a great feature for consumers. The old good WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH logic. I grew up in the Soviet Union, so trust me: having just ONE WELL GUARDED AND FENCED store with no competition is NOT a great feature for customers. I literally was a customer of exactly such store.

syshum 6y ago

>>very well guarded and fenced AppStore IS a great feature for consumers. it is always amusing when people attempt to paint anti-consumer features as pro consumer... >>As a father I'd Really, you are going for "think of the children" defense of anti-consumer policy. Classic For decades electronics have had all manner of Child protection features, it is trivial to prevent the installation of apps, or even other apps stores from unapproved users, and a child should not have the authority to install any apps, form the Apple store or not In enterprise system administration we have been doing this on computers for decades preventing unauthorized applications or users from installing things That is a solved problem and in no way is a locked down controlled by apple ecosystem required to archive parental controls on the device Edit: >There is a huge market of consumers who value their own protection and the protection of their families A LOT more than IAP margins for developers I am sure they do, I am sure they do not care about the devs at all, that is clear from your position. If the consumer cares about this soo much then it should not be a problem for them to bear the cost of this not the devs, if the value of the Apple store is the Security and Privacy of the store then the consumer not the dev should pay for that. A 30% fee added to the price of the app charged to the CUSTOMER then should be the fair payment method, not extorting 30% of revenue from the dev I have a feeling that both you and apple know that most consumers would not put the value of that service at 30% though this is why they extort the devs not the customer

camhart 6y ago

Apple has a bad track record with parental control and other "be safe online" apps, crippling them in the name of privacy. I'd never recommend an iPhone for a child.

threeseed 6y ago
Yes shame on Apple for being concerned about parental apps that were capturing children's browser and usage data and sending it to remote servers. Because companies can always be trusted to never monetize data.
- camhart 6y ago
  There's a lot of "bad" that can occur on smartphones beyond companies selling user data. While that should be a concern, I'd guess other things are more important to most parents.
AnonC 6y ago
What exactly is bad about Apple’s track record “in the name of privacy”? If anything, we need Android to take privacy more seriously and not leave it be the privilege of some power users who can keep tweaking things.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago

> The fact that there is only one, very well guarded and fenced AppStore IS a great feature for consumers. The old good WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH logic. I grew up in the Soviet Union, so trust me: having just ONE WELL GUARDED AND FENCED store with no competition is NOT a great feature for customers. I literally was a customer of exactly such store.