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I think you are approaching this from a position of afterwisdom. Case in point: Think how hard it was for the general american to realize the police in their c
by fsloth 6y ago
I think you are approaching this from a position of afterwisdom.
Case in point: Think how hard it was for the general american to realize the police in their country actually has pathological violent tendencies and blacks actually are in a weak position. If modern state is able to treat their minorities in that way in our enlightened age for a long time, think about what the chances the public had in WW2 Germany to have a clue.
Generally, Germans trusted their government. The Nazi propaganda was astoundingly enticing (there were excellent books on WW1 propaganda that the Nazi:s studied from in earnest so they learned from existing knowledge).
How good was the Nazi propaganda? People are still today falling in love with the concept, even though the Nazi idealism was proven evil and non-functional, and fascism itself inserted to modern day would be extremely anachronistic.
Think about it. People are falling in love with a brand and ideology created by people who died 70+ years ago.
Now imagine these same people are running a country. Portraying themselves as glorious leaders, and saying to all germans - hell yes, we will triumph, love us. And love they did.
They have total pulse on the public sentiment. They control the mass media (they have mass media! Which is itself a novelty!). They control the public image of the state and they control the public mindset. They control the public news and what people are concerned off.
I presume the public sentiment was along the lines of "So, they are moving those jews somewhere? Oh, better in some 'jewtown' rather than here in that ghetto, I'm glad I don't have to see them again". But I doubt they had in mind the slaughterhouse.
It was horror what happened. But it is very hard to convince me the average german would have had any clue.
- goto11 6y agoI'm not sure I understand your argument, but are you suggesting the effectiveness of Nazi propaganda and media control as justifying that people didn't know? Because that is totally backwards. Persecution of Jews was not some kind of secret agenda kept hidden from the people. Rather the hate and persecution of Jews and other "undesired groups" was a core part of Nazi propaganda.
- fsloth 6y ago"hate and persecution of Jews and other "undesired groups" was a core part of Nazi propaganda." Hate and persecution of all minorities in europe was the expected status quo even after the war. Only after 60's you are seeing minority group rights becoming a thing, and they are still problematic in places. Nazi's total genocide was the thing that was completely out of bounds of accepted civilized behaviour circa 1940. Not racism. "Everyone did it" is not an excuse, but on basic expectations most of europe was racist and oprressive of minorities. German people were not worse than anyone else. I'm not saying that this excuses anything, but the claim that "on average, they weren't worse than anyone else" holds. The guilt for the genocide should be mostly on the shoulders of the administration and the officers who carried it out, not the average German citizen.