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The CERB is all the downsides and expenses of UBI without any of the benefits---no incentive to find work, bureaucracy hell, Canada has to worry about and inve

The CERB is all the downsides and expenses of UBI without any of the benefits---no incentive to find work, bureaucracy hell, Canada has to worry about and invesigate fraud, doesn't help poor workers working minimum wage jobs (which are almost all essential)

notatoad 6y ago
>bureaucracy hell Not sure how you figure this. It's a pretty painless application process and everybody is getting approved.
- tenpies 6y ago
  Yes, they've made it highly abusable and pretended this was a "feature", then backloaded all the bureaucracy into the Canadian Revenue Agency (CRA) who will have to determine how many millions of people received aid when they didn't qualify. It would honestly be better if they just said "free money for everyone, just click here" because the CRA will now have to spend the next decade trying to collect fraudulent benefits. The cost of the entire program would probably be 25% higher if you factor in what this will cost to audit and attempt to collect from fraudulent claimants in the future, plus the lawsuits from tax payers because Canadian leaders literally instructed people to just claim it even if they didn't qualify.
  - jeromegv 6y ago
    No Canadian political leaders instructed people to claim it when they don't qualify.
lwansbrough 6y ago
Ah yes, total bureaucratic hell having to spend a total of 30 seconds to sign into the CERB site and confirm your eligibility, then receive payment directly into your bank account in 2 days.
- clusterfish 6y ago
  Either they will thoroughly review everyone's eligibility post factum, which will be pretty close to bureaucracy hell, or they will let tons of amateur fraudsters get away with free money. They promise the former but my money is on the worst-of-both-world combination. That's not how UBI is supposed to work at all. Regardless of how it turns out, the middle class will end up paying for it as the effective tax burden on the 0.1% remains untouchable. I hope everyone's enjoying their vacations, at least it's a nice summer.

notatoad 6y ago

>bureaucracy hell Not sure how you figure this. It's a pretty painless application process and everybody is getting approved.

tenpies 6y ago
Yes, they've made it highly abusable and pretended this was a "feature", then backloaded all the bureaucracy into the Canadian Revenue Agency (CRA) who will have to determine how many millions of people received aid when they didn't qualify. It would honestly be better if they just said "free money for everyone, just click here" because the CRA will now have to spend the next decade trying to collect fraudulent benefits. The cost of the entire program would probably be 25% higher if you factor in what this will cost to audit and attempt to collect from fraudulent claimants in the future, plus the lawsuits from tax payers because Canadian leaders literally instructed people to just claim it even if they didn't qualify.
- jeromegv 6y ago
  No Canadian political leaders instructed people to claim it when they don't qualify.

lwansbrough 6y ago

Ah yes, total bureaucratic hell having to spend a total of 30 seconds to sign into the CERB site and confirm your eligibility, then receive payment directly into your bank account in 2 days.

clusterfish 6y ago
Either they will thoroughly review everyone's eligibility post factum, which will be pretty close to bureaucracy hell, or they will let tons of amateur fraudsters get away with free money. They promise the former but my money is on the worst-of-both-world combination. That's not how UBI is supposed to work at all. Regardless of how it turns out, the middle class will end up paying for it as the effective tax burden on the 0.1% remains untouchable. I hope everyone's enjoying their vacations, at least it's a nice summer.