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Did you ever think it might be the way you dress or your demeanor? Obviously, it could be racial also, but how could you know that?

by sfj 6y ago

gowld 6y ago
Why would that matter?
- sfj 6y ago
  Isn't the implied assumption that he is being treated that way simply because he's black?
isatty 6y ago
His clothes or demeanor can’t possible be the same for n > 100, but his race sure is. Let’s face it, the TSA blatantly discriminates against race and it’s not a secret.
- sfj 6y ago
  Assuming it is race, do you really think the whole TSA does? Wouldn't it have to be codified in order for them to do so? I think it would probably be more likely a few racist employees he unfortunately has to deal with.
- Kiro 6y ago
  Oh, but it can. I used to have dreadlocks and wear saggy clothes and I was randomly selected each and every time.
titzer 6y ago
You are being downvoted because this is a soft form of victim blaming [1]. As tone and context are difficult to transmit in such a short reply, it might be a good idea to phrase things in a more empathetic way in the future. And for the record, no, no this isn't because of how they dress. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
- sfj 6y ago
  I disagree with the premise of “victim blaming”. If we can't look at all sides of an issue for fear of being publicly shamed for going against a narrative, we'll end up with wrong conclusions a lot of the time. I did acknowledge racism could also play a part, but I don't see how we are supposed to be able to accept that one can read the minds of those that affront him. I also don't give a damn about the “monkey no like, hit 'you are bad' button” people seem to care about.
  - thosakwe 6y ago
    I wish you would put as much effort into listening and understanding other people's experiences as you do trying to find excuses for racism.
    - sfj 6y ago
      I wasn't “finding excuses for racism”. Just trying to determine if actually occured, or not.
  - titzer 6y ago
    Well to honest your post was the textbook definition of victim blaming. It was hardly a "premise." With absolutely zero evidence you flat out accused them of wrong behavior (dressing wrong, acting wrong) instead of considering their situation on the facts they presented. That is victim blaming. But now you try turn the tables around. Your feelings are so important. Painting yourself as the victim is the all-too-predictable next step in that logical chain. Congratulations on making this all about you. Instead of being pissed off and trying to fire another salvo to get other people pissed off and concerned about you, you should try to listen to people instead. You came out of the gate with the over the top with "your lived experience is invalid, here is my completely context-free flat denial that anything is wrong, I don't want to hear what you are saying". This whole chain originated out of your lack of empathy, and here now we completely forgot about the people who are actually victimized.
    - sfj 6y ago
darth_avocado 6y ago
Ahh yes, the good ol' "how you dress", "how you carry yourself", "your personal hygiene", "how you talk" or one of the other hundred responses I get from people immediately when I talk about the unfair treatment I've seen in my life. All I can say is no it has nothing to do with how I dress, because half of those "random checks" were during my business trips when I worked for a major consulting firm. So I doubt my suit and tie had anything to do with it.
- sfj 6y ago
  You might be suffering from confirmation bias. You have a forgone conclusion (it's all due to racism), so you see racism everywhere. It's just really farfetched that all black people are being frisked at airports as much as you are, simply because they're black. Maybe it could be your face matches some known terrorist or something. Or maybe you're flying out of the same airport a lot and the staff has it out for you for some reason. Who knows?
  - darth_avocado 6y ago
    I feel based on your arguments, it is you who has more of a confirmation bias. In your opinion, the probability of my face matching a terrorist or that the airport staff has it out for me is higher than a simple "people can be racist". You are just convinced that people just cry racism for no reason.

Did you ever think it might be the way you dress or your demeanor? Obviously, it could be racial also, but how could you know that?

by sfj 6y ago

Did you ever think it might be the way you dress or your demeanor? Obviously, it could be racial also, but how could you know that?

gowld 6y ago

Why would that matter?

sfj 6y ago
Isn't the implied assumption that he is being treated that way simply because he's black?

isatty 6y ago

His clothes or demeanor can’t possible be the same for n > 100, but his race sure is. Let’s face it, the TSA blatantly discriminates against race and it’s not a secret.

sfj 6y ago
Assuming it is race, do you really think the whole TSA does? Wouldn't it have to be codified in order for them to do so? I think it would probably be more likely a few racist employees he unfortunately has to deal with.
Kiro 6y ago
Oh, but it can. I used to have dreadlocks and wear saggy clothes and I was randomly selected each and every time.

titzer 6y ago

You are being downvoted because this is a soft form of victim blaming [1]. As tone and context are difficult to transmit in such a short reply, it might be a good idea to phrase things in a more empathetic way in the future. And for the record, no, no this isn't because of how they dress. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

sfj 6y ago
I disagree with the premise of “victim blaming”. If we can't look at all sides of an issue for fear of being publicly shamed for going against a narrative, we'll end up with wrong conclusions a lot of the time. I did acknowledge racism could also play a part, but I don't see how we are supposed to be able to accept that one can read the minds of those that affront him. I also don't give a damn about the “monkey no like, hit 'you are bad' button” people seem to care about.
- thosakwe 6y ago
  I wish you would put as much effort into listening and understanding other people's experiences as you do trying to find excuses for racism.
  - sfj 6y ago
    I wasn't “finding excuses for racism”. Just trying to determine if actually occured, or not.
- titzer 6y ago
  Well to honest your post was the textbook definition of victim blaming. It was hardly a "premise." With absolutely zero evidence you flat out accused them of wrong behavior (dressing wrong, acting wrong) instead of considering their situation on the facts they presented. That is victim blaming. But now you try turn the tables around. Your feelings are so important. Painting yourself as the victim is the all-too-predictable next step in that logical chain. Congratulations on making this all about you. Instead of being pissed off and trying to fire another salvo to get other people pissed off and concerned about you, you should try to listen to people instead. You came out of the gate with the over the top with "your lived experience is invalid, here is my completely context-free flat denial that anything is wrong, I don't want to hear what you are saying". This whole chain originated out of your lack of empathy, and here now we completely forgot about the people who are actually victimized.
  - sfj 6y ago

darth_avocado 6y ago

Ahh yes, the good ol' "how you dress", "how you carry yourself", "your personal hygiene", "how you talk" or one of the other hundred responses I get from people immediately when I talk about the unfair treatment I've seen in my life. All I can say is no it has nothing to do with how I dress, because half of those "random checks" were during my business trips when I worked for a major consulting firm. So I doubt my suit and tie had anything to do with it.

sfj 6y ago
You might be suffering from confirmation bias. You have a forgone conclusion (it's all due to racism), so you see racism everywhere. It's just really farfetched that all black people are being frisked at airports as much as you are, simply because they're black. Maybe it could be your face matches some known terrorist or something. Or maybe you're flying out of the same airport a lot and the staff has it out for you for some reason. Who knows?
- darth_avocado 6y ago
  I feel based on your arguments, it is you who has more of a confirmation bias. In your opinion, the probability of my face matching a terrorist or that the airport staff has it out for me is higher than a simple "people can be racist". You are just convinced that people just cry racism for no reason.