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> i can't just install a program i wrote myself on a device i own without having to get it signed Same with a Firefox extension. (I'm not defending Apple. App

by kps 6y ago

> i can't just install a program i wrote myself on a device i own without having to get it signed Same with a Firefox extension. (I'm not defending Apple. Apple is wrong and Mozilla is wrong.)

dahfizz 6y ago
Not really the same thing, for two big of reasons: 1) Getting your Mozilla extension signed is free, but you have to pay just to develop an iOS app 2) You can install unsigned extensions on nightly and developer builds, which seems perfectly reasonable. Stable and secure for the general public, bleeding edge + customizable for those who care.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  Mozilla will not let you publish an extension that they disagree with politically.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    > i can't just install a program _i wrote myself_ on a _device i own_ without having to get it signed You're moving the goalposts. But, because of the fact that you can run unsigned extensions on nightly builds, there is nothing stopping you from distributing your unsigned extension through github or bittorrent or anything else.
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      No, you moved the goalposts. The original person you replied to said "Same with a Firefox extension." not a "nightly or developer build of Firefox extension". If you can't get an extension on a regular build of Firefox, you might as well not be able to do it because for most users installing nightly or dev is a big problem.
- kps 6y ago
  > You can install unsigned extensions on nightly and developer builds Have you tried using one? You get daily nag popups to install today's developer build. I'm trying not to switch to Chrome entirely, but every Firefox release makes it harder.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    `sudo dnf update` is the first thing I do every morning, so that's never been a problem for me. That does seem annoying, though. Sometimes Mozilla is its own worst enemy...
- RKearney 6y ago
  > but you have to pay just to develop an iOS app Apple changed this a year or two ago. You do not have to pay to test apps on your own phone.
BenjiWiebe 6y ago
There must be some way to do it. I'm running an extension I wrote on my Firefox. Up to date and all. The extension is on the "store", but the edition I have installed isn't, and it's definitely not signed.
hyakosm 6y ago
Firefox is free, it's technically possible to build a version with different rules about extensions.

by kps 6y ago

> i can't just install a program i wrote myself on a device i own without having to get it signed Same with a Firefox extension. (I'm not defending Apple. Apple is wrong and Mozilla is wrong.)

dahfizz 6y ago

Not really the same thing, for two big of reasons: 1) Getting your Mozilla extension signed is free, but you have to pay just to develop an iOS app 2) You can install unsigned extensions on nightly and developer builds, which seems perfectly reasonable. Stable and secure for the general public, bleeding edge + customizable for those who care.

wayneftw 6y ago
Mozilla will not let you publish an extension that they disagree with politically.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  > i can't just install a program _i wrote myself_ on a _device i own_ without having to get it signed You're moving the goalposts. But, because of the fact that you can run unsigned extensions on nightly builds, there is nothing stopping you from distributing your unsigned extension through github or bittorrent or anything else.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    No, you moved the goalposts. The original person you replied to said "Same with a Firefox extension." not a "nightly or developer build of Firefox extension". If you can't get an extension on a regular build of Firefox, you might as well not be able to do it because for most users installing nightly or dev is a big problem.
kps 6y ago
> You can install unsigned extensions on nightly and developer builds Have you tried using one? You get daily nag popups to install today's developer build. I'm trying not to switch to Chrome entirely, but every Firefox release makes it harder.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  `sudo dnf update` is the first thing I do every morning, so that's never been a problem for me. That does seem annoying, though. Sometimes Mozilla is its own worst enemy...
RKearney 6y ago
> but you have to pay just to develop an iOS app Apple changed this a year or two ago. You do not have to pay to test apps on your own phone.

BenjiWiebe 6y ago

There must be some way to do it. I'm running an extension I wrote on my Firefox. Up to date and all. The extension is on the "store", but the edition I have installed isn't, and it's definitely not signed.

hyakosm 6y ago

Firefox is free, it's technically possible to build a version with different rules about extensions.