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50% in the USA. And next to nobody releases apps for Android only precisely because of that number. The problem has way more to do with how this affects develo

50% in the USA. And next to nobody releases apps for Android only precisely because of that number. The problem has way more to do with how this affects developers then how it affects consumers. The amount of control that Apple has over the US market is the reason why they should be targeted by an anti-trust investigation here.

nojito 6y ago
Good luck proving antitrust with such a small marketshare. You also fail to share that iOS developers are paid much much more when compared to android and they only have to target fewer devices and versions which makes developing much much easier than the fragmented cluster in android.
scarface74 6y ago
Google Play also has a 30% fee. The only prominent app that I am aware of that tried to get around the fee is Fortnite by releasing outside of the store. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony also get a cut of every game sold - even physical games. US monopoly law has never been about producers. It’s been about consumers. Are consumers really better off with the insecure by design desktop operating systems? How much malware, ransomware, and viruses have there been on Windows? I’m not excusing Macs. The only thing that makes them safer is few people bother about writing malware for them.
- notatoad 6y ago
  What google play does not have is a ToS that requires you to use the Google Play billing and forbids you from talking about other ways to pay for the app. (Google play does have a lot of restrictions around this, but it's not quite as draconian as apple's. what basecamp is doing here would be allowed on the play store)
  - scarface74 6y ago
    So Google Play should be bringing in a lot more money if Apple’s policy is hurting developers. Obviously, it’s not.
    - harpratap 6y ago
      You are treating App store as a product while in reality it's a platform like Amazon. There are two sides to it - merchants (or developers) and users. Both sides should be treated fairly and right now Apple is leaning more on consumer side while screwing the developers.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        That argument is really going to fly with a juror. Apple is being too consumer friendly.
        harpratap 6y ago
        Why not? Merchants do that all time to Amazon. How are developers different in this case?
        scarface74 6y ago
        How has that worked out?
        harpratap 6y ago
        Just because injustice is happening doesn't mean you keep letting it happen "just because it's happened in the past too". It's not a reason to not speak up against it. Speaking up against it and making everyone aware is the first step in seeking justice. Just keeping mum about it wouldn't change the status quo.
        scarface74 6y ago
        So it’s “injustice” that Apple is being “too consumed friendly”?
        harpratap 6y ago

nojito 6y ago

Good luck proving antitrust with such a small marketshare. You also fail to share that iOS developers are paid much much more when compared to android and they only have to target fewer devices and versions which makes developing much much easier than the fragmented cluster in android.

scarface74 6y ago

Google Play also has a 30% fee. The only prominent app that I am aware of that tried to get around the fee is Fortnite by releasing outside of the store. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony also get a cut of every game sold - even physical games. US monopoly law has never been about producers. It’s been about consumers. Are consumers really better off with the insecure by design desktop operating systems? How much malware, ransomware, and viruses have there been on Windows? I’m not excusing Macs. The only thing that makes them safer is few people bother about writing malware for them.

notatoad 6y ago
What google play does not have is a ToS that requires you to use the Google Play billing and forbids you from talking about other ways to pay for the app. (Google play does have a lot of restrictions around this, but it's not quite as draconian as apple's. what basecamp is doing here would be allowed on the play store)
- scarface74 6y ago
  So Google Play should be bringing in a lot more money if Apple’s policy is hurting developers. Obviously, it’s not.
  - harpratap 6y ago
    You are treating App store as a product while in reality it's a platform like Amazon. There are two sides to it - merchants (or developers) and users. Both sides should be treated fairly and right now Apple is leaning more on consumer side while screwing the developers.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      That argument is really going to fly with a juror. Apple is being too consumer friendly.
      - harpratap 6y ago
        Why not? Merchants do that all time to Amazon. How are developers different in this case?
        scarface74 6y ago
        How has that worked out?
        harpratap 6y ago
        Just because injustice is happening doesn't mean you keep letting it happen "just because it's happened in the past too". It's not a reason to not speak up against it. Speaking up against it and making everyone aware is the first step in seeking justice. Just keeping mum about it wouldn't change the status quo.
        scarface74 6y ago
        So it’s “injustice” that Apple is being “too consumed friendly”?
        harpratap 6y ago