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This. I watch in disbelief as people totally disregard statistics in leu of mass hysteria. There are some 370MM interactions with police every year in the US a

This. I watch in disbelief as people totally disregard statistics in leu of mass hysteria. There are some 370MM interactions with police every year in the US and the overwhelming majority of them happen without incident. Moreover something like 8 "unarmed" black men died in 2019 vs 50 "unarmed" white men. Those who disagree, tell me: the ratio of incarcerated males to females is something like 9:1. Similarly a far greater number of men die at the hands of police than women. Is the justice system biased against men? And if we extend this myopic logic, is there a huge problem of racism in the black community? Because black on white crime (including violent crime) is something like 10x the rate of white on black crime. Is there a systemic problem with racism in the black community? The entire country has gone insane. Edit: if there's something wrong with my reasoning, please feel free to point it out. Silent downvotes only reinforce the stigma, yes, stigma that is now associated with the same rational inquiry that I'm paid to perform each day as a research scientist. Edit 2: I can't find a source for the 370MM number and I suspect it was generous with the definition of interaction...here's another source that gives just shy of 70MM - still high enough that what's going on is blowing things way out of proportion. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pbtss11.pdf

lazyjones 6y ago
> There are some 370MM interactions with police every year in the US and the overwhelming majority of them happen without incident. And this is totally baffling for someone outside the US where crime rates are lower, people are almost never armed and civil liberties aren't so great. The police seem to be doing an amazing job in the USA overall and rare occurrences are being blown way out of proportion.
fsniper 6y ago
This data which was pointed here is not correlate well with what you tell: "Police killings are one of the leading causes of death for young men in the United States.[5] A study by Esposito, Lee, Edwards predicts that 1 in 2,000 men and 1 in 33,000 women die as a result of police use of deadly force.[5] The same study predicts the risk is highest for black men, as approximately 1 in 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_...
- lazyjones 6y ago
  This study seems very bad and polarizing. "One of the leading causes" is already weasel-wording (one of the ... how many? 100 leading causes?) and "young men" is also a rather unspecific limitation to the most violent/criminal demographic. Homicides aren't even in the top 10 leading (overall) causes of death in the USA, nr. 10 is suicide with > 40.000 per year while deadly force from police is 1/40th of that.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    To be fair, homicides account for 14.7% of fatalities of male minors, which is significant (about twice as likely as cancer for that age range.) However only a small percentage of those homicides involve cops.. https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/all-races-origins/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/all-races-ori...
jschwartzi 6y ago
I don't think it's blowing it out of proportion to have a zero-tolerance policy toward police murdering the people they're arresting. The George Floyd incident is representative of how the police typically behave when you're merely suspected of committing a crime. That officer literally kneeled on the man's face until he passed out and died. Outrage at that is not "out of proportion" it's totally understandable. One of these days the cops could sit on your neck or your child's neck until you pass out and die. Do you want to live in a society where that's tolerated, or can you agree that it's unacceptable for the police to murder people who are being arrested?
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > Do you want to live in a society where that's tolerated, or can you agree that it's unacceptable for the police to murder people who are being arrested? Why do you think anyone wants to live in such a society and why do you falsely imply it is tolerated in the USA? The responsible officers for the death of Floyd are already charged - and let's not disingenuously assume a known, violent repeat offender who is obviously on drugs is treated the same as me or you or one of our children.
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  > don't think it's blowing it out of proportion to have a zero-tolerance policy toward police murdering the people they're arresting Who is arguing this? Anywhere? Why are people being treated as though they're trying to excuse murder? That's dehumanizing. >One of these days the cops could sit on your neck or your child's neck until you pass out and die This may seem like a trivial dismissal, but one of us has a different approach to parenting, and I suspect it is shared by approximately 50% of the voting population. I would teach my children to cooperate with police under the circumstances in the Floyd video. I would also teach them not to do drugs in public. No, this is not victim blaming, and I do believe that the force in this case was excessive and unnecessary. But I also advocate for teaching people to function in a society where their actions affect others and can create dangerous situations unnecessarily.

lazyjones 6y ago

> There are some 370MM interactions with police every year in the US and the overwhelming majority of them happen without incident. And this is totally baffling for someone outside the US where crime rates are lower, people are almost never armed and civil liberties aren't so great. The police seem to be doing an amazing job in the USA overall and rare occurrences are being blown way out of proportion.

fsniper 6y ago

This data which was pointed here is not correlate well with what you tell: "Police killings are one of the leading causes of death for young men in the United States.[5] A study by Esposito, Lee, Edwards predicts that 1 in 2,000 men and 1 in 33,000 women die as a result of police use of deadly force.[5] The same study predicts the risk is highest for black men, as approximately 1 in 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_...

lazyjones 6y ago
This study seems very bad and polarizing. "One of the leading causes" is already weasel-wording (one of the ... how many? 100 leading causes?) and "young men" is also a rather unspecific limitation to the most violent/criminal demographic. Homicides aren't even in the top 10 leading (overall) causes of death in the USA, nr. 10 is suicide with > 40.000 per year while deadly force from police is 1/40th of that.
- catalogia 6y ago
  To be fair, homicides account for 14.7% of fatalities of male minors, which is significant (about twice as likely as cancer for that age range.) However only a small percentage of those homicides involve cops.. https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/all-races-origins/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2017/all-races-ori...

jschwartzi 6y ago

I don't think it's blowing it out of proportion to have a zero-tolerance policy toward police murdering the people they're arresting. The George Floyd incident is representative of how the police typically behave when you're merely suspected of committing a crime. That officer literally kneeled on the man's face until he passed out and died. Outrage at that is not "out of proportion" it's totally understandable. One of these days the cops could sit on your neck or your child's neck until you pass out and die. Do you want to live in a society where that's tolerated, or can you agree that it's unacceptable for the police to murder people who are being arrested?

lazyjones 6y ago
> Do you want to live in a society where that's tolerated, or can you agree that it's unacceptable for the police to murder people who are being arrested? Why do you think anyone wants to live in such a society and why do you falsely imply it is tolerated in the USA? The responsible officers for the death of Floyd are already charged - and let's not disingenuously assume a known, violent repeat offender who is obviously on drugs is treated the same as me or you or one of our children.
mtgp1000 6y ago
> don't think it's blowing it out of proportion to have a zero-tolerance policy toward police murdering the people they're arresting Who is arguing this? Anywhere? Why are people being treated as though they're trying to excuse murder? That's dehumanizing. >One of these days the cops could sit on your neck or your child's neck until you pass out and die This may seem like a trivial dismissal, but one of us has a different approach to parenting, and I suspect it is shared by approximately 50% of the voting population. I would teach my children to cooperate with police under the circumstances in the Floyd video. I would also teach them not to do drugs in public. No, this is not victim blaming, and I do believe that the force in this case was excessive and unnecessary. But I also advocate for teaching people to function in a society where their actions affect others and can create dangerous situations unnecessarily.