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> To be anti-racist is to fundamentally understand the lived experiences of the Black community and how it relates to other structures of power. I thought “fun

> To be anti-racist is to fundamentally understand the lived experiences of the Black community and how it relates to other structures of power. I thought “fundamentally understanding the lived experiences of the black community” was impossible for non-black people. What white person has achieved this goal? If none, is it impossible for a white person to be “anti-racist?” I acknowledge racism is a real issue but think it’s reasonable to disagree what the best solution is. This stuff (white fragility etc) just smells way too much like “original sin” and “we are all sinners but must strive towards holiness, however unachievable” to me.

callmeal 6y ago
>What white person has achieved this goal? I know at least one person who has. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/oct/27/black-like-me-john-howard-griffin https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/oct/27/black-like-me-... I know it's not possible for everyone to do what John Howard Griffin did, but reading that book and living that experience vicariously can be a start.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
  I don't think that's the best example. How does one separate: "They're treating me poorly because I'm a black person" and "They're treating me poorly because I'm a white guy trying to be a black person"
  - klipt 6y ago
    Rachel Dolezal?
  - carapace 6y ago
    I read this book. He fooled people both black and white. FWIW, I think reading it would help some people understand.
  - callmeal 6y ago
    You just made his point. "They're treating me poorly because I'm a black person" and "They're treating me poorly because I'm a white guy trying to be a black person" translate to "They're treating me poorly because of the color of my skin".
GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
Fundamental being the key operative here. Understanding the Black lived experience is an approximation of the actual experience. Of course there's no singular Black experience, but there are fundamentals underlying all, which can be understood and approximated by people with non-Black lived experiences.
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2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
> I acknowledge racism is a real issue but think it’s reasonable to disagree what the best solution is. This stuff (white fragility etc) just smells way too much like “original sin” and “we are all sinners but must strive towards holiness, however unachievable” to me. I’ve always been a “treat others as you would like to be treated” person. But a lot of this anti-racist concept is appearing on all my pod casts. And now I have to see race? I’m in Australia and I think these are largely US concepts. Frankly I wish we’d stop importing US culture. Australia isn’t perfect but we largely agree on things like universal health care and getting rid of guns. So I think we can combat racism without having to look at the US for guidance.
- throwaway_jobs 6y ago
  > I’m in Australia and I think these are largely US concepts. Based on that statement alone I think I can accurately conclude you are not an indigenous Australian (aboriginal). Seems they share quiet a lot in common with native Americans from stealing of their lands/displacement, mass killings, enslavement By colonists, to ongoing racism that continues to carry on today.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
    I’m not indigenous. I said we have to combat racism. I never said there are not similarities with what indigenous people went through. But it seems racism in the US has a lot of deeper cultural implications so they came up with anti-racism. Australia needs to figure out what equality means to us and make our own cultural changes. Not copy the US.
    - charliebrownau 6y ago
      Maybe you and 99% of the Global LEFT is wrong and Multi culturalism, Globalism , group rights, victimhood plague, removing merit , refusing to hold everyone to the same standard is the FUCKING PROBLEM BTW Japan doesnt have a racism problem because everyone is ONE STANDARD RACE Its Japanese Nation for ethnic native japanese people Maybe the Global LEFT needs to be fucking honest for once and admit that "EQUALITY" is actually GLOBAL COMMIE DICTORSHIP and no one will be truely "EQUAL" until everyone is lowered down to the common lowest bar Ever considered that maybe GOVERMENT TAXATION "RULES" and "REGULATION and non ethnic people running - goverment/police/courts/etc that hate the ethnic native people IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM NOT "RACISM" Which is another MADE UP WORD by JEWS

callmeal 6y ago

>What white person has achieved this goal? I know at least one person who has. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/oct/27/black-like-me-john-howard-griffin https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/oct/27/black-like-me-... I know it's not possible for everyone to do what John Howard Griffin did, but reading that book and living that experience vicariously can be a start.

GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
I don't think that's the best example. How does one separate: "They're treating me poorly because I'm a black person" and "They're treating me poorly because I'm a white guy trying to be a black person"
- klipt 6y ago
  Rachel Dolezal?
- carapace 6y ago
  I read this book. He fooled people both black and white. FWIW, I think reading it would help some people understand.
- callmeal 6y ago
  You just made his point. "They're treating me poorly because I'm a black person" and "They're treating me poorly because I'm a white guy trying to be a black person" translate to "They're treating me poorly because of the color of my skin".

GaryNumanVevo 6y ago

Fundamental being the key operative here. Understanding the Black lived experience is an approximation of the actual experience. Of course there's no singular Black experience, but there are fundamentals underlying all, which can be understood and approximated by people with non-Black lived experiences.

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2muchcoffeeman 6y ago

> I acknowledge racism is a real issue but think it’s reasonable to disagree what the best solution is. This stuff (white fragility etc) just smells way too much like “original sin” and “we are all sinners but must strive towards holiness, however unachievable” to me. I’ve always been a “treat others as you would like to be treated” person. But a lot of this anti-racist concept is appearing on all my pod casts. And now I have to see race? I’m in Australia and I think these are largely US concepts. Frankly I wish we’d stop importing US culture. Australia isn’t perfect but we largely agree on things like universal health care and getting rid of guns. So I think we can combat racism without having to look at the US for guidance.

throwaway_jobs 6y ago
> I’m in Australia and I think these are largely US concepts. Based on that statement alone I think I can accurately conclude you are not an indigenous Australian (aboriginal). Seems they share quiet a lot in common with native Americans from stealing of their lands/displacement, mass killings, enslavement By colonists, to ongoing racism that continues to carry on today.
- 2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
  I’m not indigenous. I said we have to combat racism. I never said there are not similarities with what indigenous people went through. But it seems racism in the US has a lot of deeper cultural implications so they came up with anti-racism. Australia needs to figure out what equality means to us and make our own cultural changes. Not copy the US.
  - charliebrownau 6y ago
    Maybe you and 99% of the Global LEFT is wrong and Multi culturalism, Globalism , group rights, victimhood plague, removing merit , refusing to hold everyone to the same standard is the FUCKING PROBLEM BTW Japan doesnt have a racism problem because everyone is ONE STANDARD RACE Its Japanese Nation for ethnic native japanese people Maybe the Global LEFT needs to be fucking honest for once and admit that "EQUALITY" is actually GLOBAL COMMIE DICTORSHIP and no one will be truely "EQUAL" until everyone is lowered down to the common lowest bar Ever considered that maybe GOVERMENT TAXATION "RULES" and "REGULATION and non ethnic people running - goverment/police/courts/etc that hate the ethnic native people IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM NOT "RACISM" Which is another MADE UP WORD by JEWS