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> You accuse my argument ala the "Satya-Sundar fallacy" as specious because I use a few cherry picked examples to demonstrate demonstrate a general fact that is

> You accuse my argument ala the "Satya-Sundar fallacy" as specious because I use a few cherry picked examples to demonstrate demonstrate a general fact that isn't true? Accuse is a strong word, but basically yes. Maybe it's a visceral reaction to something I have hear one too many times, that Asians don't face discrimination in tech because "Look at Satya and Sundar" (not exactly what you said). But the point is that Satya and Sundar have little in common with the Midwest of America. Here, we can be shot by random guys in bars because they think we're Iranian [1]. You can guess that this kind of atmosphere might not correlate with a particularly equitable promotion process. If it helps, my intention is not to propagate a "woe is me" narrative, but to examine the possibility that Asians are treated differently (to their disadvantage) during promotion, just like other people of color. Ironically, our discussion here and your linked study already led to a better insight than I had previously! As an admirer of Confucian values, it also makes me a little sad :| Also, thanks for the study link! I see now that it was controlled for language, and consequently, my guess about language being a factor was simply wrong. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/asia/kansas-attack-possible-hate-crime-srinivas-kuchibhotla.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/asia/kansas-attack-...

blisseyGo 6y ago
> Here, we can be shot by random guys in bars because they think we're Iranian Cherry picking a single occurrence where someone shot someone for racist reasons is not how science works plus this has nothing to do with the discussion. Microsoft, IBM, Google, Adobe, Nokia, Harman, MasterCard and PepsiCo etc all have Indian (minority) CEOs. Apple has a gay CEO. Claiming there is some bias against minorities is absurd. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... whites kill whites, blacks kill blacks, asians and south asians kill their own.
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  > Claiming there is some bias against minorities is absurd. Have a good evening, I guess :)
aiisahik 6y ago
Are Asians treated worse during promotions because (1) the color of their skin / physical appearance (2) the confucian values (lack of assertiveness) of the individual (3) the stereotype of confucian values (lack of assertiveness) of Asians in general I think it's more (2) and (3) than (1). It's hard being Asian - you have the weight of all other Asians practicing confucian values dragging you down. Time to get rid of those values - If not for yourself then for others who don't want to be weighed down by the stereotype.

blisseyGo 6y ago

> Here, we can be shot by random guys in bars because they think we're Iranian Cherry picking a single occurrence where someone shot someone for racist reasons is not how science works plus this has nothing to do with the discussion. Microsoft, IBM, Google, Adobe, Nokia, Harman, MasterCard and PepsiCo etc all have Indian (minority) CEOs. Apple has a gay CEO. Claiming there is some bias against minorities is absurd. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... whites kill whites, blacks kill blacks, asians and south asians kill their own.

quadrifoliate 6y ago
> Claiming there is some bias against minorities is absurd. Have a good evening, I guess :)

aiisahik 6y ago

Are Asians treated worse during promotions because (1) the color of their skin / physical appearance (2) the confucian values (lack of assertiveness) of the individual (3) the stereotype of confucian values (lack of assertiveness) of Asians in general I think it's more (2) and (3) than (1). It's hard being Asian - you have the weight of all other Asians practicing confucian values dragging you down. Time to get rid of those values - If not for yourself then for others who don't want to be weighed down by the stereotype.