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> b) it's the seven billionth "minorities in tech" story in the past month I would urge people to stop and question that if they are tired of the "billion"s of
by wbronitsky 6y ago
> b) it's the seven billionth "minorities in tech" story in the past month
I would urge people to stop and question that if they are tired of the "billion"s of stories about BIPOC, what must BIPOC be feeling about their systemic erasure from many facets of our society, including journalism and entrepreneurship. This article allows us to think about and discuss those issues.
The article is not hard to believe, is one of substance that I find interesting, and the content of the comment section is not the only arbiter of what should go on Hacker News.
I would suggest that Occam's Razor is a better tool here; a small number of people who want to silence the idea the article presents are trying to silence it.
- luckylion 6y ago> I would urge people to stop and question that if they are tired of the "billion"s of stories about BIPOC, what must BIPOC be feeling about their systemic erasure from many facets of our society, including journalism and entrepreneurship. That's not an argument, I believe. I'm sure some white supremacist can drown you in a torrent of "White Genocide" articles, but that doesn't make it any more real. I'm not going to argue any of it though, I don't want to get banned, and this is a topic where HN is too much like Reddit at the moment. The Powers That Be have decided that it's what is supposed to be seen: so be it.
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- olivermarks 6y agoWhat's BIPOC?
- olivermarks 6y agoI looked it up - according to the NYT 'black, indigenous people of color'. Based on this shouldn't the correct wording for 'black lives matter' be 'BIPOC lives matter'? Surely people of color and indigenous people are taking offense at this?
- oh_sigh 6y agoIt also somehow places black and indigenous people as not "people of color"(I assume they aren't counting white indigenous people like the Sami).
- wbronitsky 6y agoI'm trying to be as inclusive as I can be, and I have been told that BIPOC is an inclusive term. If there is a better term here, please let me know so I can use it. I was discussing American society in particular, so the Sami might not be relevant. Either way, it would be nice if we could look at my comment as doing what I can to not be offensive, instead of nitpicking an argument that is clearly trying. Instead of tearing it down, do you have another suggestion?
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- jt0 6y agoThis is an incorrect reading of the term. BIPOC is US-specific. You'd have to look at teachings from Sami activists to see the most useful framing for indigenous erasure in Scandinavia. Also, it does not place black and indigenous people as not POC, the aim is "undoing Native invisibility, anti-Blackness, dismantling white supremacy and advancing racial justice."[0]. It instead centers the two groups who have been the most marginalized in the US. [0] https://www.thebipocproject.org/ https://www.thebipocproject.org/
- notadog 6y agoAn acronym for “Black, Indigenous, and People of Color".
- quadrifoliate 6y agoAs a less rhetorical answer, that might help some people if not the OP – as an Asian man in America, I have to worry about people making stupid jokes about my perceived culture, but usually not about getting the police called on me and being shot dead because I'm examining a BB gun that is on sale at Walmart [1] (sometimes, there are exceptions [2]). BIPOC puts this group of people (Black and Indigenous) as a separate group before POC, since they face these challenges of simply surviving in society while doing what most of the "rest of us" consider normal activities. At first I was puzzled about why indigenous people were included, but then realized, for example, that Native Americans are killed in police encounters at a higher rate than any other ethnic group [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureshbhai_Patel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureshbhai_Patel (it's sobering to note that even in this case, Patel had the police called on him because someone thought he was Black) [3] https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/us/native-lives-matter/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/us/native-lives-matter/index....
- jt0 6y agoAdding to this from the BIPOC Project [0] "We use the term BIPOC to highlight the unique relationship to whiteness that Indigenous and Black (African Americans) people have, which shapes the experiences of and relationship to white supremacy for all people of color within a U.S. context." Not all groups face the same oppression and this term intentionally names the two groups which are systematically the most oppressed in a US context. [0] https://www.thebipocproject.org/ https://www.thebipocproject.org/
- olivermarks 6y agoLooks as if this site and the BIPOC media blitz was launched this month.
- Anthony-G 6y agoThanks for the explanation. As a European observing from afar, I hadn't come across the BIPOC acronym until I started reading this thread. I was also unaware that police violence against native Americans was such big a problem as described in the CNN article.