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I can understand dhh's frustrations. Apple should really only deserve the 30% if they referred users to HEY via the App Store. Outside of that is just unfair an

by Axsuul 6y ago

I can understand dhh's frustrations. Apple should really only deserve the 30% if they referred users to HEY via the App Store. Outside of that is just unfair and predatory. This is similar to what Wix requires when you develop for their platform. Wix requires developers to profit share 20% of your revenue for any customers that just so happen to use the part of your app that communicates with Wix. Why do platforms continue to think they're entitled to such a thing? And why would any developer want to integrate with Wix with such a clause?

kennywinker 6y ago
> Apple should really only deserve the 30% if they referred users to HEY via the App Store Might be true that they deserve a cut if the app store wasn’t a monopoly. You’re not opting into a relationship with apple, they’re holding everybody with an iPhone hostage for 30% of your revenue.
- threeseed 6y ago
  Curious if you have the same outrage for Xbox or Playstation.
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    I mean the situation is similar, but I don’t really feel strongly because: 1. I don’t game 2. consequently games seem less important to quality-of-life than phones do to me 3. The ecosystem of “things i can play a game on” is pretty diverse. Xbox and ps are big players but pc gaming is WIDE open and then there’s mobile gaming as well.
  - xlii 6y ago
    AFAIK XBox and Playstation partially fund exclusive game development and for non-exclusive games the risk is somewhat smaller. I heard few stories about the devs bouncing off the Oculus store though. There aren't many games, so it's a honeypot for many developers but then they find out their game won't be released because of some reason (game like this exists, we don't like experience, experience is subpar) and so on.
- spoopyskelly 6y ago
  Don't buy an iPhone if you don't like it. Vote with your wallet.
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    If I thought that android was an equivalent product, I would switch. I would also withdraw my complaint about apple having a monopoly - since there is a roughly equivalent alternative with no downsides. But I don’t think that’s the case. Android is far too privacy-hostile, google has their hooks too deep in the ecosystem so I’d essentially be trading one monopoly for another, and (personal beef) the audio stack is not good enough for music production. All that, and my feeling that we need real antitrust in most realms of commerce, means i would much prefer to be able to vote with my vote for representatives with teeth
jbverschoor 6y ago
They don't provie IAP for the service

by Axsuul 6y ago

kennywinker 6y ago

> Apple should really only deserve the 30% if they referred users to HEY via the App Store Might be true that they deserve a cut if the app store wasn’t a monopoly. You’re not opting into a relationship with apple, they’re holding everybody with an iPhone hostage for 30% of your revenue.

threeseed 6y ago
Curious if you have the same outrage for Xbox or Playstation.
- kennywinker 6y ago
  I mean the situation is similar, but I don’t really feel strongly because: 1. I don’t game 2. consequently games seem less important to quality-of-life than phones do to me 3. The ecosystem of “things i can play a game on” is pretty diverse. Xbox and ps are big players but pc gaming is WIDE open and then there’s mobile gaming as well.
- xlii 6y ago
  AFAIK XBox and Playstation partially fund exclusive game development and for non-exclusive games the risk is somewhat smaller. I heard few stories about the devs bouncing off the Oculus store though. There aren't many games, so it's a honeypot for many developers but then they find out their game won't be released because of some reason (game like this exists, we don't like experience, experience is subpar) and so on.
spoopyskelly 6y ago
Don't buy an iPhone if you don't like it. Vote with your wallet.
- kennywinker 6y ago
  If I thought that android was an equivalent product, I would switch. I would also withdraw my complaint about apple having a monopoly - since there is a roughly equivalent alternative with no downsides. But I don’t think that’s the case. Android is far too privacy-hostile, google has their hooks too deep in the ecosystem so I’d essentially be trading one monopoly for another, and (personal beef) the audio stack is not good enough for music production. All that, and my feeling that we need real antitrust in most realms of commerce, means i would much prefer to be able to vote with my vote for representatives with teeth

jbverschoor 6y ago

They don't provie IAP for the service