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> Especially when I don't believe in the "greater good", whatever it is for you today (apparently the CO2 footprint). Ah, there it is. I get, why you are askin

> Especially when I don't believe in the "greater good", whatever it is for you today (apparently the CO2 footprint). Ah, there it is. I get, why you are asking "for whom?" all the time. Talking about the planet here, based on scientific facts. If you don't believe in them, it's hard to argue. > I am responsible for spending as much time as possible with my children But leaving a better world behind for your children is not something you are responsible for? Since you are calling me all kind of things, I will start doing the same: I personally think, you have constructed yourself a reality where you are doing the right thing. From somebody citing a big word like responsibility, I would expect also thinking about the world he is leaving behind for his children. But it works for you this way, so you are doing it this way. That's okay, you are human. I do the same in a different area of life. I just want you to be taxed for it (or lets start with not being subsidized for it), so less people do it in that way. It is not my problem, that you are living 40km away from your children. If you wanted to use a rocket or a tank to drive to them, you could not do that either. I am btw. not saying that your lifestyle is the worst and I can also see that this is something that happened somehow and you did not plan it like this. It might be something that will always stay there. I just think it is not optimal. I think commuting to work by car (which many, many people are doing) is a way worse problem and also easier to improve.

lazyjones 6y ago
> Talking about the planet here, based on scientific facts. If you don't believe in them, it's hard to argue. There are no "scientific facts" that prove cars in cities are "dumb". I get it that it's popular right now to scream something about science and then add some wild conjecture. By the way, "science" is not infallible. Still waiting for the islands to sink that people have been screaming about for almost 40 years now. > But leaving a better world behind for your children is not something you are responsible for? I believe I am doing that. > I just want you to be taxed for it (or lets start with not being subsidized for it), so less people do it in that way. That is fine with me! I am wealthy enough that it would not matter, it'll actually be better for me if cars are taxed heavily - less traffic, easier parking. > It is not my problem, that you are living 40km away from your children. If you wanted to use a rocket or a tank to drive to them, you could not do that either. Fine, but it is my problem and I have a smart solution that for some reason people with a totally different situation are calling "dumb" because they are ideologically opposed to it. ;-) > I think commuting to work by car (which many, many people are doing) is a way worse problem and also easier to improve. And by "improve" of course you mean "obstruct". When did we arrive at this mess where making things worse for people is somehow the preferred solution to finding something that is better for everyone?
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  > By the way, "science" is not infallible. It still is the best thing we got. There is no better thing to base decisions on. Ingoring it and hoping it was wrong all along (without anything to back it up) is not critical thinking but ignorance. > And by "improve" of course you mean "obstruct". No, I mean change. I think commuting is first and foremost a waste of valuable human time. > Fine, but it is my problem and I have a smart solution that for some reason people with a totally different situation are calling "dumb" because they are ideologically opposed to it. ;-) Notice that I never called you or your solution dumb. I am acknoledging that this is an edge case. I am calling owning individual cars inside cities in general and the vast majority of cases dumb and harmful.

lazyjones 6y ago

> Talking about the planet here, based on scientific facts. If you don't believe in them, it's hard to argue. There are no "scientific facts" that prove cars in cities are "dumb". I get it that it's popular right now to scream something about science and then add some wild conjecture. By the way, "science" is not infallible. Still waiting for the islands to sink that people have been screaming about for almost 40 years now. > But leaving a better world behind for your children is not something you are responsible for? I believe I am doing that. > I just want you to be taxed for it (or lets start with not being subsidized for it), so less people do it in that way. That is fine with me! I am wealthy enough that it would not matter, it'll actually be better for me if cars are taxed heavily - less traffic, easier parking. > It is not my problem, that you are living 40km away from your children. If you wanted to use a rocket or a tank to drive to them, you could not do that either. Fine, but it is my problem and I have a smart solution that for some reason people with a totally different situation are calling "dumb" because they are ideologically opposed to it. ;-) > I think commuting to work by car (which many, many people are doing) is a way worse problem and also easier to improve. And by "improve" of course you mean "obstruct". When did we arrive at this mess where making things worse for people is somehow the preferred solution to finding something that is better for everyone?

allendoerfer 6y ago
> By the way, "science" is not infallible. It still is the best thing we got. There is no better thing to base decisions on. Ingoring it and hoping it was wrong all along (without anything to back it up) is not critical thinking but ignorance. > And by "improve" of course you mean "obstruct". No, I mean change. I think commuting is first and foremost a waste of valuable human time. > Fine, but it is my problem and I have a smart solution that for some reason people with a totally different situation are calling "dumb" because they are ideologically opposed to it. ;-) Notice that I never called you or your solution dumb. I am acknoledging that this is an edge case. I am calling owning individual cars inside cities in general and the vast majority of cases dumb and harmful.