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Nobody is demanding that. It could just be that they want to.

by befeltingu 6y ago

manfredo 6y ago
It's was definitely demanded or at least heavily expected in the 60s and 50s (when these women grew up).
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  Nowadays it's demanded that both husband and wife work, and it gave us the two-income trap. It's not even progress.
  - erichocean 6y ago
    If you have twice the labor, you can pay each person half as much (and double your profit) since consumption stays the same (to a rough approximation). Financial capitalism at its best.
    - HarryHirsch 6y ago
      What you actually see is that with two full incomes housing prices went up. That's the supply side reacting to more money sloshing around. On the demand side, when both parents work there are now expenses for childcare, prepared food & so on. You just have increased financial insecurity because now a family must rely on two incomes. In the past, when one spouse lost their job the other might find one or go to full time employment, now both parents have to be employed to be financially stable. That isn't even progress for those who have to work for a living. For the investor class it's of course different.
  - doorstar 6y ago
    Nowadays both men and women have the option of finding occupations that give them the most satisfaction. You might be surprised at how many people consider this progress.
fanf2 6y ago
Steve Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley was able to found a computing consultancy business in the 1960s staffed entirely by women that had been fired when they got married, as was the usual practise at the time.
- eropple 6y ago
  This is an amazing story I've never run across. Thank you for pointing it out. I think you got trolled, but I'm glad I got to learn about this as a result.
- befeltingu 6y ago
  Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. I was thinking more about today when I made my comment
  - erichocean 6y ago
    > Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. What makes you think it was common practice? Exceptions are a thing…
    - fanf2 6y ago
      For an example of it being not just common but in some cases required to dismiss women when they married, see "The Marriage Bar" at https://civilservant.org.uk/women-history.html https://civilservant.org.uk/women-history.html
      - erichocean 6y ago
        I'm talking about forming all-married women businesses. I'd be shocked if that was common, but if you have data showing otherwise, I'm happy to be corrected...
- rodgerd 6y ago
  It was the norm for banks in New Zealand, through to the sixties and early seventies, to require women to have a letter of permission from their father or husband in order to get a job. Source: have seen the ads specifying such.
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Nobody is demanding that. It could just be that they want to.

manfredo 6y ago

It's was definitely demanded or at least heavily expected in the 60s and 50s (when these women grew up).

HarryHirsch 6y ago
Nowadays it's demanded that both husband and wife work, and it gave us the two-income trap. It's not even progress.
- erichocean 6y ago
  If you have twice the labor, you can pay each person half as much (and double your profit) since consumption stays the same (to a rough approximation). Financial capitalism at its best.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    What you actually see is that with two full incomes housing prices went up. That's the supply side reacting to more money sloshing around. On the demand side, when both parents work there are now expenses for childcare, prepared food & so on. You just have increased financial insecurity because now a family must rely on two incomes. In the past, when one spouse lost their job the other might find one or go to full time employment, now both parents have to be employed to be financially stable. That isn't even progress for those who have to work for a living. For the investor class it's of course different.
- doorstar 6y ago
  Nowadays both men and women have the option of finding occupations that give them the most satisfaction. You might be surprised at how many people consider this progress.

fanf2 6y ago

Steve Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley was able to found a computing consultancy business in the 1960s staffed entirely by women that had been fired when they got married, as was the usual practise at the time.

eropple 6y ago
This is an amazing story I've never run across. Thank you for pointing it out. I think you got trolled, but I'm glad I got to learn about this as a result.
befeltingu 6y ago
Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. I was thinking more about today when I made my comment
- erichocean 6y ago
  > Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. What makes you think it was common practice? Exceptions are a thing…
  - fanf2 6y ago
    For an example of it being not just common but in some cases required to dismiss women when they married, see "The Marriage Bar" at https://civilservant.org.uk/women-history.html https://civilservant.org.uk/women-history.html
    - erichocean 6y ago
      I'm talking about forming all-married women businesses. I'd be shocked if that was common, but if you have data showing otherwise, I'm happy to be corrected...
rodgerd 6y ago
It was the norm for banks in New Zealand, through to the sixties and early seventies, to require women to have a letter of permission from their father or husband in order to get a job. Source: have seen the ads specifying such.

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