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How else are you going to keep the Asians out?

jerf 6y ago
Sarcastically phrased, but it's the real answer. The colleges need to shed objective measures so they can continue their social programs unimpeded by any objective standards that might reveal their increasingly obvious biases. If you want to get into Harvard, I recommend striving to demonstrate greater fealty to the hardest of hard left-wing ideals than your fellow applicants, as that will become the real criterion for admission as fast as they feel like they can make it.
- new2628 6y ago
  You made an insightful if uncomfortable comment. You will be voted down into oblivion.
- deleted 6y ago
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- mauflows 6y ago
  Couldn't diversity be considered an objectively good thing to strive to have? Anecdotally, I went to a technical school but some of my biggest shifts in perspective came from interacting with liberal arts and minority students.
  - gizmo686 6y ago
    Yes. The legal justification for affirmative action getting an exception to anti-discrimination laws is that a diverse student body improves the quality of eduaction for all students; so there is a compelling interest to discriminate.
    - oh_sigh 6y ago
      It certainly doesn't improve the quality of education of the students who were rejected in favor of someone with a different color skin.
eli_gottlieb 6y ago
By throwing them in a gladiatorial death-match with the Jewish applicants, of course. The winner has an athletic character, and is therefore real Harvard material!
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  This is like that story where Dershowitz drops into Stephen Jay Gould’s class and asks the students how to deal with a pushy Jewish mother who insists her rejected kid is Harvard material
seibelj 6y ago
You are probably being facetious, but my wife is Vietnamese and her parents were boat people who fled the communists, didn't speak any English and had no money, then her dad got a job washing dishes, learned English at night, got into college, then got into medical school, started a chain of clinics, and retired a millionaire. You would not believe how much they despise current "progressive" politics and speaking with them about politics is basically impossible. They and their community / family follow what is happening with things like Harvard and partially as a result they are die-hard Trump supporters (among other things like their belief in religion, police, etc.). I do not agree with all of these opinions, I am just telling you how this community, which is mostly still poor and not "model minority", views a lot of what is coming out of elite institutions in the name of progress and equality.
- travisoneill1 6y ago
  Why wouldn't they feel that way? As bad as Trump may be, he isn't trying to keep their kids from following the same successful path.
  - user982 6y ago
    The same successful path that begins with the US welcoming non-white, non-English-speaking refugees from countries they've bombed? Trump is not actively on the record against all of that?
    - magicsmoke 6y ago
      If they're refugees from South Vietnam, they probably wish the US kept bombing so they didn't have to flee the communists. Hell, if they were well off in South Vietnam before the communists came, it just goes to show that if your family had the mental foundations necessary for success, even if you hit rock bottom you still have the attitude to climb back up.
- malandrew 6y ago
  Great comment. What's not appreciated is that Asians in the US have the greatest Gini coefficient of any racial group in the US: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality... John McWhorter made a comment in a Reason interview that affirmative action really should be about socioeconomic status and not race. Back in the day race would have been a highly correlative proxy for income and wealth, but that it is becoming increasingly less predictive and advantaging middle and upper class minorities when today they almost no meaningful disadvantages relative to their white and asian peers of the same socioeconomic class.
ylem 6y ago
I'm a bit confused, but isn't this a one year response to the effects of Covid? I saw that there were difficulties even with AP exams this year.
- travisoneill1 6y ago
  Nothing to do with COVID. Harvard systematically discriminates against Asian applicants by giving them lower "personality scores" than other races. There is a big lawsuit about this going on.
fortran77 6y ago
Exactly. They had similar quotas to keep Jews out several generations ago. > Certain private universities, most notably Harvard, introduced policies which effectively placed a quota on the number of Jews admitted to the university. According to historian David Oshinsky, on writing about Jonas Salk, "Most of the surrounding medical schools (Cornell, Columbia, Pennsylvania, and Yale) had rigid quotas in place. In 1935 Yale accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." He notes that Dean Milton Winternitz's instructions were remarkably precise: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."[16] As a result, Oshinsky added, "Jonas Salk and hundreds like him" enrolled in New York University instead.[17] Physicist and Nobel laureate Richard P. Feynman was turned away from Columbia College in the 1930s and went to MIT instead. See also Numerus clausus in the United States. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota ) Today it's "too many asians"
- devmunchies 6y ago
  Yeah but not anymore. There is a higher jewish population at harvard (~28%) than non-jewish whites (~22%) despite non-jewish whites making up 60% of the population of the US and jews making up less than 2% of the population. No skin off my nose since I went to a mormon school in Utah. There is clearly an anti-white, anti-asian agenda at these top schools now.
  - fortran77 6y ago
    Only 6% of the 2020 class at Harvard self-reported as Jewish. See https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing-ivy-league-jew https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishi...
  - dartdartdart 6y ago
    Anti-asian for sure, probably not as much anti-white since white applicants can get lower academic scores than Asian people and still get accepted. Discriminating against a minority that makes up only 5% of the population is ridiculous.
wait_a_minute 6y ago
Identity politics is a cancer. Glad Asians are starting to realize that they were simply the logical next target.

jerf 6y ago

Sarcastically phrased, but it's the real answer. The colleges need to shed objective measures so they can continue their social programs unimpeded by any objective standards that might reveal their increasingly obvious biases. If you want to get into Harvard, I recommend striving to demonstrate greater fealty to the hardest of hard left-wing ideals than your fellow applicants, as that will become the real criterion for admission as fast as they feel like they can make it.

new2628 6y ago
You made an insightful if uncomfortable comment. You will be voted down into oblivion.
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mauflows 6y ago
Couldn't diversity be considered an objectively good thing to strive to have? Anecdotally, I went to a technical school but some of my biggest shifts in perspective came from interacting with liberal arts and minority students.
- gizmo686 6y ago
  Yes. The legal justification for affirmative action getting an exception to anti-discrimination laws is that a diverse student body improves the quality of eduaction for all students; so there is a compelling interest to discriminate.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    It certainly doesn't improve the quality of education of the students who were rejected in favor of someone with a different color skin.

eli_gottlieb 6y ago

By throwing them in a gladiatorial death-match with the Jewish applicants, of course. The winner has an athletic character, and is therefore real Harvard material!

selimthegrim 6y ago
This is like that story where Dershowitz drops into Stephen Jay Gould’s class and asks the students how to deal with a pushy Jewish mother who insists her rejected kid is Harvard material

seibelj 6y ago

You are probably being facetious, but my wife is Vietnamese and her parents were boat people who fled the communists, didn't speak any English and had no money, then her dad got a job washing dishes, learned English at night, got into college, then got into medical school, started a chain of clinics, and retired a millionaire. You would not believe how much they despise current "progressive" politics and speaking with them about politics is basically impossible. They and their community / family follow what is happening with things like Harvard and partially as a result they are die-hard Trump supporters (among other things like their belief in religion, police, etc.). I do not agree with all of these opinions, I am just telling you how this community, which is mostly still poor and not "model minority", views a lot of what is coming out of elite institutions in the name of progress and equality.

travisoneill1 6y ago
Why wouldn't they feel that way? As bad as Trump may be, he isn't trying to keep their kids from following the same successful path.
- user982 6y ago
  The same successful path that begins with the US welcoming non-white, non-English-speaking refugees from countries they've bombed? Trump is not actively on the record against all of that?
  - magicsmoke 6y ago
    If they're refugees from South Vietnam, they probably wish the US kept bombing so they didn't have to flee the communists. Hell, if they were well off in South Vietnam before the communists came, it just goes to show that if your family had the mental foundations necessary for success, even if you hit rock bottom you still have the attitude to climb back up.
malandrew 6y ago
Great comment. What's not appreciated is that Asians in the US have the greatest Gini coefficient of any racial group in the US: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality... John McWhorter made a comment in a Reason interview that affirmative action really should be about socioeconomic status and not race. Back in the day race would have been a highly correlative proxy for income and wealth, but that it is becoming increasingly less predictive and advantaging middle and upper class minorities when today they almost no meaningful disadvantages relative to their white and asian peers of the same socioeconomic class.

ylem 6y ago

I'm a bit confused, but isn't this a one year response to the effects of Covid? I saw that there were difficulties even with AP exams this year.

travisoneill1 6y ago
Nothing to do with COVID. Harvard systematically discriminates against Asian applicants by giving them lower "personality scores" than other races. There is a big lawsuit about this going on.

fortran77 6y ago

Exactly. They had similar quotas to keep Jews out several generations ago. > Certain private universities, most notably Harvard, introduced policies which effectively placed a quota on the number of Jews admitted to the university. According to historian David Oshinsky, on writing about Jonas Salk, "Most of the surrounding medical schools (Cornell, Columbia, Pennsylvania, and Yale) had rigid quotas in place. In 1935 Yale accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." He notes that Dean Milton Winternitz's instructions were remarkably precise: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."[16] As a result, Oshinsky added, "Jonas Salk and hundreds like him" enrolled in New York University instead.[17] Physicist and Nobel laureate Richard P. Feynman was turned away from Columbia College in the 1930s and went to MIT instead. See also Numerus clausus in the United States. (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota ) Today it's "too many asians"

devmunchies 6y ago
Yeah but not anymore. There is a higher jewish population at harvard (~28%) than non-jewish whites (~22%) despite non-jewish whites making up 60% of the population of the US and jews making up less than 2% of the population. No skin off my nose since I went to a mormon school in Utah. There is clearly an anti-white, anti-asian agenda at these top schools now.
- fortran77 6y ago
  Only 6% of the 2020 class at Harvard self-reported as Jewish. See https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing-ivy-league-jew https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishi...
- dartdartdart 6y ago
  Anti-asian for sure, probably not as much anti-white since white applicants can get lower academic scores than Asian people and still get accepted. Discriminating against a minority that makes up only 5% of the population is ridiculous.

wait_a_minute 6y ago

Identity politics is a cancer. Glad Asians are starting to realize that they were simply the logical next target.