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I am happy that you provided the only realistic answer here. Gravity is the negative to light...radiation pressure pushes and gravity pulls. We live in a yin ya

I am happy that you provided the only realistic answer here. Gravity is the negative to light...radiation pressure pushes and gravity pulls. We live in a yin yang universe. Like Alan Watts would say, the universe is in the middle of cosmic dance, and eventually all positives and negatives will neutralize and we will be back where we started. This bides well for cyclic theories of cosmology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure Radiation pressure - Wikipedia

pestaa 6y ago
I listen to Alan Watts quite regularly, and always fascinated by the broad range of sciences he can tap into. Even more interesting given the criticism he has towards academia.
- dmix 6y ago
  aka Hippies feigning science for some pseudo-religious ends.
  - pestaa 6y ago
    Are you sure he misrepresented science? On the contrary, I get the impression that Alan took scientific discoveries and matched those onto his philosophical stances. He objected to the personal beliefs of the stereotypical scientist, and put forward an argument that the science works even if you stop viewing the universe as a purely materialistic mechanism. Which is not to say it then automatically possesses meaning, an intelligent designer or purpose.
saagarjha 6y ago
> This bides well for cyclic theories of cosmology. But the second law of thermodynamics really doesn’t. I should note the radiation pressure does not have much to do with gravity, either, unless the only thing you’re focusing on is whether a star is going to collapse.
kleer001 6y ago
I'd love to hear a refutation to this (however simple) rather than an anonymous and empty downvote.
- simonh 6y ago
  Gravity and light are unrelated phenomena, one being a curvature of space and the other a fluctuation in electromagnetic fields. They are in no way the opposite of each other. It’s like saying apples are the opposite of oranges. It’s not even intelligibly refutable.
  - kleer001 6y ago
    Sorry, that leaves me even more confused. I didn't mean to start an argument though. Light pressure is a thing. And gravity certainly pulls. And pulling seems the opposite of pushing. > It’s not even intelligibly refutable. So, your calling your refutation unintelligent? I don't think that's what you meant.
    - undersuit 6y ago
      Just light, what about the rest of the electromagnetic range of emissions? Gravity can push, ever tried to roll a car uphill? The weak and strong nuclear forces are also from Bosons, why are light and gravity special? Did you know you can send enough light into a region that you can cause that region to pass into a blackhole, it's a called a Kugelblitz. Rapid fire of some refutations.
      - goldenkey 6y ago
        When a physicist says 'light' they mean electromagnetic energy of all frequencies - not just visible light. All the forces become unified at high temperatures. The universe is thought to have 0 total charge, so even the attractive coulomb force does not counter gravity -- it in sum total, does nothing. Gravity doesn't push the car down the hill, the car pushes you, because it itself is being pulled, silly semantics. The gravitional force is a negative, it destroys separation and distance. Light and the other forces create separation and distance. In your black hole example, the light has a momentum, and that doesn't vanish if a black hole forms, the black hole will continue moving. Rapid fire of some refutations.

pestaa 6y ago

I listen to Alan Watts quite regularly, and always fascinated by the broad range of sciences he can tap into. Even more interesting given the criticism he has towards academia.

dmix 6y ago
aka Hippies feigning science for some pseudo-religious ends.
- pestaa 6y ago
  Are you sure he misrepresented science? On the contrary, I get the impression that Alan took scientific discoveries and matched those onto his philosophical stances. He objected to the personal beliefs of the stereotypical scientist, and put forward an argument that the science works even if you stop viewing the universe as a purely materialistic mechanism. Which is not to say it then automatically possesses meaning, an intelligent designer or purpose.

saagarjha 6y ago

> This bides well for cyclic theories of cosmology. But the second law of thermodynamics really doesn’t. I should note the radiation pressure does not have much to do with gravity, either, unless the only thing you’re focusing on is whether a star is going to collapse.

kleer001 6y ago

I'd love to hear a refutation to this (however simple) rather than an anonymous and empty downvote.

simonh 6y ago
Gravity and light are unrelated phenomena, one being a curvature of space and the other a fluctuation in electromagnetic fields. They are in no way the opposite of each other. It’s like saying apples are the opposite of oranges. It’s not even intelligibly refutable.
- kleer001 6y ago
  Sorry, that leaves me even more confused. I didn't mean to start an argument though. Light pressure is a thing. And gravity certainly pulls. And pulling seems the opposite of pushing. > It’s not even intelligibly refutable. So, your calling your refutation unintelligent? I don't think that's what you meant.
  - undersuit 6y ago
    Just light, what about the rest of the electromagnetic range of emissions? Gravity can push, ever tried to roll a car uphill? The weak and strong nuclear forces are also from Bosons, why are light and gravity special? Did you know you can send enough light into a region that you can cause that region to pass into a blackhole, it's a called a Kugelblitz. Rapid fire of some refutations.
    - goldenkey 6y ago
      When a physicist says 'light' they mean electromagnetic energy of all frequencies - not just visible light. All the forces become unified at high temperatures. The universe is thought to have 0 total charge, so even the attractive coulomb force does not counter gravity -- it in sum total, does nothing. Gravity doesn't push the car down the hill, the car pushes you, because it itself is being pulled, silly semantics. The gravitional force is a negative, it destroys separation and distance. Light and the other forces create separation and distance. In your black hole example, the light has a momentum, and that doesn't vanish if a black hole forms, the black hole will continue moving. Rapid fire of some refutations.