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This is not anti-consumer as consumers don’t care, nor running homebrew or pirated games are supported or advertised features. This is something that target pre

This is not anti-consumer as consumers don’t care, nor running homebrew or pirated games are supported or advertised features. This is something that target precisely people who doesn’t want to be consumer: those that want to get and play games for free. Now, there is also the very very minor homebrew community, which should buy a devkit instead if running code is their main goal.

marcan_42 6y ago
Devkits are not available to the general public, only to licensed developers who signed NDAs, and are severely restricted in how they can distribute their software.
syshum 6y ago
>>This is not anti-consumer as consumers don’t care consumers "caring" about something is not the definition of Anti-Consumer at all, there are all manner of business practices that have been made illegal because they were anti-consumer that the majority of consumers did not care about (and still do not). For example the Warranty if Removed Stickers on electronics. Most consumers do not care if the manufacturers place them on devices however this practice is very much Anti-Consumer and is illegal in the US >> This is something that target precisely people who doesn’t want to be consumer: those that want to get and play games for free. Ahh yes, If I want complete control over my device, what to use my device in a non-standard way, or some other reason I do not want a manufacturer to permanently alter my device with a firmware change it must mean I only oppose it because I want free games... I also oppose the war on drugs, do i only do that because I want to get high as well? or is it a fundamental ethical reason around property ownership and the role of manufacturers as SELLERS not leasing agents of a device
- tasogare 6y ago
  I expected this kind of comment, reinterpreting the general idea into something else I didn’t say to attack it. The "does not care" was not about abusing customers it was about why they chose one console or another. Just like people valuing the ability to tweak a device will likely more buy an Android phone than an iPhone. If someone wants a console that can execute their code, Xbox One is the way to go (or a PS3 with an old fireware). If on the contrary they don’t care about that, then the Switch is totally OK. Now the ironical thing is I didn’t even disagree with you rant. Actually I’m all for more open devices. What I’m saying is that it’s not possible right now, so buying a Switch with the expectation that it will run third party code is living in a parallel universe.

marcan_42 6y ago

Devkits are not available to the general public, only to licensed developers who signed NDAs, and are severely restricted in how they can distribute their software.

syshum 6y ago

>>This is not anti-consumer as consumers don’t care consumers "caring" about something is not the definition of Anti-Consumer at all, there are all manner of business practices that have been made illegal because they were anti-consumer that the majority of consumers did not care about (and still do not). For example the Warranty if Removed Stickers on electronics. Most consumers do not care if the manufacturers place them on devices however this practice is very much Anti-Consumer and is illegal in the US >> This is something that target precisely people who doesn’t want to be consumer: those that want to get and play games for free. Ahh yes, If I want complete control over my device, what to use my device in a non-standard way, or some other reason I do not want a manufacturer to permanently alter my device with a firmware change it must mean I only oppose it because I want free games... I also oppose the war on drugs, do i only do that because I want to get high as well? or is it a fundamental ethical reason around property ownership and the role of manufacturers as SELLERS not leasing agents of a device

tasogare 6y ago
I expected this kind of comment, reinterpreting the general idea into something else I didn’t say to attack it. The "does not care" was not about abusing customers it was about why they chose one console or another. Just like people valuing the ability to tweak a device will likely more buy an Android phone than an iPhone. If someone wants a console that can execute their code, Xbox One is the way to go (or a PS3 with an old fireware). If on the contrary they don’t care about that, then the Switch is totally OK. Now the ironical thing is I didn’t even disagree with you rant. Actually I’m all for more open devices. What I’m saying is that it’s not possible right now, so buying a Switch with the expectation that it will run third party code is living in a parallel universe.