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For me it has always been at a range of 1000 kilometers. (600 miles.)

csunbird 6y ago
It is the same limit for me. The car should be able to go until I am tired driving it, which is around 6 to 8 hours driving at 120km/h, including breaks of 15-20 minutes each 3 hours. Then I can accept a 30-45 minute break to charge if I have to continue.
- Klathmon 6y ago
  Tesla's are already very close to that right now. I used to drive from Florida to Pennsylvania fairly often, and in my model 3 it's a rough cadence of drive for 2.5 to 3 hours, stop at a supercharger for under 30 minutes, repeat until I'm there. And that's with the vast majority of the trip at 75mph/120km/h. It does get worse in the winter though, I need to stop more frequently like every 2 hours, and for more like 30 minutes per stop.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    I think discussions of range alone are misguided for this reason. The state of charging infrastructure is just as important as the range of the car itself. The 300 mile range on a tesla is fine even for long road trips because the infrastructure is solid.
    - kazinator 6y ago
      Obviously, it's not fine for Klathmon, who minds the 30 minute charging stops. A much faster charging time could help independently of the range. Of course infrastructure outside metropolitan limits is important, since without that you're screwed and can't be even be having a discussion about annoying half hour stops in interstate driving.
    - octorian 6y ago
      > The state of charging infrastructure is just as important as the range of the car itself. And this is why I facepalm every single time I see a car manufacturer trying to make a "Tesla competitor" by focusing on getting most of the range with none of the charging infrastructure. (Or they assume the infrastructure is someone else's problem, that can be solved with some press releases about business agreements.)
- dabeeeenster 6y ago
  If you're stopping for 15-20 mins every three hours you could probably drive for 8 hours in a Tesla Long Range 3/S right now. If you stopped at superchargers.
driverdan 6y ago
Most ICE vehicles do not have a 1000 km range.
- jacobush 6y ago
  A gas car can be topped up in 2 minutes, just about everywhere - which is not true of an electric. With a 1000 km range, I can go almost everywhere I want, then back, without charging, and recharge at home, if need be. If my gas guzzler filled through a straw and took an hour to fill, I'd want 1000 km range on the gas car too.
  - driverdan 6y ago
    You're significantly under estimating the time it takes to refuel. Between diverting to a station, fueling, and getting back on the road it's at least 10 min. If you're traveling such a long distance it's a good idea to take a break during a fuel stop anyway, so add at least another 10 min. I travel a lot and tend to stop every 250mi (400km) or so, if not sooner. It times well with meals and bathroom breaks so my stops are usually at least 30 min. Electric takes more time to recharge but on long trips the extra charge time doesn't have as a significant impact as you'd think, assuming chargers are plentiful and charge at the maximum rate your vehicle can handle.

It is the same limit for me. The car should be able to go until I am tired driving it, which is around 6 to 8 hours driving at 120km/h, including breaks of 15-20 minutes each 3 hours. Then I can accept a 30-45 minute break to charge if I have to continue.

Klathmon 6y ago
Tesla's are already very close to that right now. I used to drive from Florida to Pennsylvania fairly often, and in my model 3 it's a rough cadence of drive for 2.5 to 3 hours, stop at a supercharger for under 30 minutes, repeat until I'm there. And that's with the vast majority of the trip at 75mph/120km/h. It does get worse in the winter though, I need to stop more frequently like every 2 hours, and for more like 30 minutes per stop.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  I think discussions of range alone are misguided for this reason. The state of charging infrastructure is just as important as the range of the car itself. The 300 mile range on a tesla is fine even for long road trips because the infrastructure is solid.
  - kazinator 6y ago
    Obviously, it's not fine for Klathmon, who minds the 30 minute charging stops. A much faster charging time could help independently of the range. Of course infrastructure outside metropolitan limits is important, since without that you're screwed and can't be even be having a discussion about annoying half hour stops in interstate driving.
  - octorian 6y ago
    > The state of charging infrastructure is just as important as the range of the car itself. And this is why I facepalm every single time I see a car manufacturer trying to make a "Tesla competitor" by focusing on getting most of the range with none of the charging infrastructure. (Or they assume the infrastructure is someone else's problem, that can be solved with some press releases about business agreements.)
dabeeeenster 6y ago
If you're stopping for 15-20 mins every three hours you could probably drive for 8 hours in a Tesla Long Range 3/S right now. If you stopped at superchargers.

driverdan 6y ago

Most ICE vehicles do not have a 1000 km range.

jacobush 6y ago
A gas car can be topped up in 2 minutes, just about everywhere - which is not true of an electric. With a 1000 km range, I can go almost everywhere I want, then back, without charging, and recharge at home, if need be. If my gas guzzler filled through a straw and took an hour to fill, I'd want 1000 km range on the gas car too.
- driverdan 6y ago
  You're significantly under estimating the time it takes to refuel. Between diverting to a station, fueling, and getting back on the road it's at least 10 min. If you're traveling such a long distance it's a good idea to take a break during a fuel stop anyway, so add at least another 10 min. I travel a lot and tend to stop every 250mi (400km) or so, if not sooner. It times well with meals and bathroom breaks so my stops are usually at least 30 min. Electric takes more time to recharge but on long trips the extra charge time doesn't have as a significant impact as you'd think, assuming chargers are plentiful and charge at the maximum rate your vehicle can handle.