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It backfires like this : users are trained to never upgrade. Games that target a specific version lose sales.

by slim 6y ago

syspec 6y ago
In practice users don't even know what version they're on
daveFNbuck 6y ago
I don't think this applies to consoles like the Switch. I don't think the average user ever feels the need to revert to an earlier firmware version, and games don't target particular firmware versions. They tend to just work.
ElCapitanMarkla 6y ago
How many people running CFW are buying games though?
- jowsie 6y ago
  We do exist!
hrktb 6y ago
As a user, I feel Nintendo has been pretty good about updates: they don't update a lot, and each updates has user facing features with QOL improvements. It's not in the same situation as iOS updates that were effectively slowing down the devices or Windows Update that don't seem to the user to bring anything.
- FakeRemore 6y ago
  > each updates has user facing features with QOL improvements You must be joking. The meme about "stability intensifies" with Switch updates isn't just a joke. Most of their updates are minor bugfixes and "increasing stability" (fixing exploits). They're far more interested in fixing exploits than they ever were in improving the OS in any meaningful way for the user. It's been 3 years and the only major QOL change I see on that list is making the all software page not useless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...
  - hrktb 6y ago
    The only regression that seemed widespread was the joycon drift on pro controller (which was bad, but fixed within a week). Otherwise heavy Splatoon players might be hit more than others, but the stability improvements seemed real. At some point the Switch had to be rebooted every other day, nowadays it's something not needed in weeks perhaps. For QOL the last big update allowing to remap buttons was a big deal. I haven't tried moving data between to the SD card but it would also be a big deal for people with more than 10 ~ 20 games, as space becomes scarce pretty fast.
    - FakeRemore 6y ago
      > but the stability improvements seemed real. At some point the Switch had to be rebooted every other day No idea what you're talking about. > For QOL the last big update allowing to remap buttons was a big deal. I haven't tried moving data between to the SD card but it would also be a big deal for people with more than 10 ~ 20 games, as space becomes scarce pretty fast. My point is that the amount of real QOL changes is extremely low for the amount of time the console has been out. There's been nearly nothing, while they just keep "increasing stability". Frankly, the Switch's OS is still incredibly barebones and missing a lot of QOL features and I'm tired of people defending Nintendo for being so half-assed about the Switch. It's been three years. There's been barely any progress, whether it's the OS, online infrastructure, or fixing the drift issues. Do they have Yakuza debts they need to pay off or what? Where's all the money going to?
      - hrktb 6y ago
        > No idea what you're talking about. After some hours (10 ? 20?) of play on a few intensive games, it was slowing down and/or becoming glitchy. The fan would not ramp up so it didn't seem to be temperature. I thought it was an isolated issue until a saw a few streamers hit the same kind of issue and casually explain they forgot to reboot their switch. > It's been three years. I get your point. I kinda gave up on expecting shiny revolutionary features, or comparing to the PS or Xbox. My angle on it is pretty similar to when the iPhone came out. There was no copy and paste, multi-tasking and was arguably slow for a lot of things, but the pros outweighed the cons, and we knew Apple wouldn't be doing any big leaps any day soon. I'm still frustrated by iOS by the way, but still think it's worth it. Nintendo's Switch is at that place for me at this point. I'll buy a PS5 anyway, and I'll be happy if Nintendo continues to bring new games and paradigms on the table that the other makers are not touching.

It backfires like this : users are trained to never upgrade. Games that target a specific version lose sales.

by slim 6y ago

It backfires like this : users are trained to never upgrade. Games that target a specific version lose sales.

syspec 6y ago

In practice users don't even know what version they're on

daveFNbuck 6y ago

I don't think this applies to consoles like the Switch. I don't think the average user ever feels the need to revert to an earlier firmware version, and games don't target particular firmware versions. They tend to just work.

ElCapitanMarkla 6y ago

How many people running CFW are buying games though?

jowsie 6y ago
We do exist!

hrktb 6y ago

As a user, I feel Nintendo has been pretty good about updates: they don't update a lot, and each updates has user facing features with QOL improvements. It's not in the same situation as iOS updates that were effectively slowing down the devices or Windows Update that don't seem to the user to bring anything.

FakeRemore 6y ago
> each updates has user facing features with QOL improvements You must be joking. The meme about "stability intensifies" with Switch updates isn't just a joke. Most of their updates are minor bugfixes and "increasing stability" (fixing exploits). They're far more interested in fixing exploits than they ever were in improving the OS in any meaningful way for the user. It's been 3 years and the only major QOL change I see on that list is making the all software page not useless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...
- hrktb 6y ago
  The only regression that seemed widespread was the joycon drift on pro controller (which was bad, but fixed within a week). Otherwise heavy Splatoon players might be hit more than others, but the stability improvements seemed real. At some point the Switch had to be rebooted every other day, nowadays it's something not needed in weeks perhaps. For QOL the last big update allowing to remap buttons was a big deal. I haven't tried moving data between to the SD card but it would also be a big deal for people with more than 10 ~ 20 games, as space becomes scarce pretty fast.
  - FakeRemore 6y ago
    > but the stability improvements seemed real. At some point the Switch had to be rebooted every other day No idea what you're talking about. > For QOL the last big update allowing to remap buttons was a big deal. I haven't tried moving data between to the SD card but it would also be a big deal for people with more than 10 ~ 20 games, as space becomes scarce pretty fast. My point is that the amount of real QOL changes is extremely low for the amount of time the console has been out. There's been nearly nothing, while they just keep "increasing stability". Frankly, the Switch's OS is still incredibly barebones and missing a lot of QOL features and I'm tired of people defending Nintendo for being so half-assed about the Switch. It's been three years. There's been barely any progress, whether it's the OS, online infrastructure, or fixing the drift issues. Do they have Yakuza debts they need to pay off or what? Where's all the money going to?
    - hrktb 6y ago
      > No idea what you're talking about. After some hours (10 ? 20?) of play on a few intensive games, it was slowing down and/or becoming glitchy. The fan would not ramp up so it didn't seem to be temperature. I thought it was an isolated issue until a saw a few streamers hit the same kind of issue and casually explain they forgot to reboot their switch. > It's been three years. I get your point. I kinda gave up on expecting shiny revolutionary features, or comparing to the PS or Xbox. My angle on it is pretty similar to when the iPhone came out. There was no copy and paste, multi-tasking and was arguably slow for a lot of things, but the pros outweighed the cons, and we knew Apple wouldn't be doing any big leaps any day soon. I'm still frustrated by iOS by the way, but still think it's worth it. Nintendo's Switch is at that place for me at this point. I'll buy a PS5 anyway, and I'll be happy if Nintendo continues to bring new games and paradigms on the table that the other makers are not touching.