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The Hyundai Nexo EV is already at 380 miles, and it’s a real SUV, not a flat-as-a-pancake Model S. It refuels in five minutes, to boot, but is only practical i

The Hyundai Nexo EV is already at 380 miles, and it’s a real SUV, not a flat-as-a-pancake Model S. It refuels in five minutes, to boot, but is only practical in California. If they increased tank volume by 5% it’d be at 400 miles EPA.

thatswrong0 6y ago
You should mention that it’s a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle if you’re going to compare apples to oranges.
wmf 6y ago
To save people googling, the Hyundai Nexo EV is a hydrogen fuel-cell car, not battery electric.
gimmeThaBeet 6y ago
That looks pretty sweet honestly. I know it's not a far out take, but my feeling with the established car makers that are doing fuel cells (e.g. Toyota, and in that model Hyundai), want to learn how to build cars that run on electricity, and put too many eggs into where the electricity comes from. From the outside it looks frustrating that they are not going full tilt while Tesla does Tesla things, but I hope I see where they're coming from.
- metrokoi 6y ago
  I think they realize all electric cars will not be the largest share of the market when hydrocarbon vehicles are phased out. The biggest reason for not owning an electric vehicle is the charging time and range. Toyota and Hyundai aren't going all in on all electric because they would rather focus on capturing the fuel cell market which will be as large as the hydrocarbon vehicle market is today.
xeromal 6y ago
Fuel cells are pretty cool. My friend has the Toyota one. They're pretty good in CA but have a ways to go before practicality. I believe you can only lease them ATM because they cost about 400k. They're definitely a viable tech though! I'll also say that part of the Tesla ecosystem is the self-driving and performance, not just earth friendly. Also you compared an SUV to a Sedan which is supposed to be flat as a pancake. lol. A better comparison would be the model Y.
walrus01 6y ago
and how many standards-compliant hydrogen refueling stations exist right now in the 48 states, compared to places you can charge an EV?
- xeromal 6y ago
  Another bonus of having an EV is charging in your own home. You end up with a full tank every night.
  - pengaru 6y ago
    Yeah, it's silly to compare. BEV charging infrastructure is trivially expanded and piggybacked on an already ubiquitous power grid. You still need big trucks constantly hauling liquid hydrogen around for the fuel cell option...
    - xeromal 6y ago
      I've always considered electric charging to be similar to an interface. You can change out the back end without the consumer having to do anything. You consume electricity but it could be nuclear, wind, coal, or pig shit.
      - pengaru 6y ago
        It is pretty close to ideal. It doesn't even poison the groundwater when the pipes break.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Unless you don't have a home...if you live in any dense area in an apartment, forget about it.
    - xeromal 6y ago
      I actually live in a condo complex with 300 units and I get by. I just charge at the local library for free like once a week or at work.
zaroth 6y ago
For those wondering this is a Hydrogen fuel cell car, only available for sale in CA because that’s the only place you can fill it. It appears they sold about 270 units in the US last year.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > only available for sale in CA No, you can buy it in Korea and Europe as well. Europe and China are the most important markets for EVs. Hyundai isn't making many Nexos yet though.
- burlesona 6y ago
  One parks on my street in SF. It looks pretty sweet. :)
twblalock 6y ago
I don't think very many people would cross-shop a hydrogen-powered Hyundai and a Tesla Model S.
bobsil1 6y ago
The Bay Area H2 shortage was fun, as in schedule your refueling between 1 and 5 am to have any chance of getting a half tank, or wait an hour in line by day.
jakswa 6y ago
Doesn't that thing get like 50-something MPGe? The Teslas are more than twice as efficient.
ogre_codes 6y ago
I'm not sure why you'd refer to this as an EV when the manufacturer doesn't. As far as I'm concerned it's not an EV unless I can plug it into a solar panel and charge it.
bagacrap 6y ago
The website for that car points out that it can get from San Francisco to LA on one tank but that's blatantly false unless you start and finish at the edges of those metroplexes while driving extremely efficiently, with no detours or a/c.
kanox 6y ago
As far as I know hydrogen is currently mostly derived from fossil fuels. Electrolysis would be possible but it's expensive and still less energy efficient than a pure battery-electric vehicle. People are willing to pay a premium for electric cars because they're greener. This DOES NOT APPLY to hydrogen fuel cell cars.
- Hypx 6y ago
  Electrolysis is much cheaper than in the past. Nearly all serious hydrogen related proposals involves electrolysis.

thatswrong0 6y ago

You should mention that it’s a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle if you’re going to compare apples to oranges.

wmf 6y ago

To save people googling, the Hyundai Nexo EV is a hydrogen fuel-cell car, not battery electric.

gimmeThaBeet 6y ago

That looks pretty sweet honestly. I know it's not a far out take, but my feeling with the established car makers that are doing fuel cells (e.g. Toyota, and in that model Hyundai), want to learn how to build cars that run on electricity, and put too many eggs into where the electricity comes from. From the outside it looks frustrating that they are not going full tilt while Tesla does Tesla things, but I hope I see where they're coming from.

metrokoi 6y ago
I think they realize all electric cars will not be the largest share of the market when hydrocarbon vehicles are phased out. The biggest reason for not owning an electric vehicle is the charging time and range. Toyota and Hyundai aren't going all in on all electric because they would rather focus on capturing the fuel cell market which will be as large as the hydrocarbon vehicle market is today.

xeromal 6y ago

Fuel cells are pretty cool. My friend has the Toyota one. They're pretty good in CA but have a ways to go before practicality. I believe you can only lease them ATM because they cost about 400k. They're definitely a viable tech though! I'll also say that part of the Tesla ecosystem is the self-driving and performance, not just earth friendly. Also you compared an SUV to a Sedan which is supposed to be flat as a pancake. lol. A better comparison would be the model Y.

walrus01 6y ago

and how many standards-compliant hydrogen refueling stations exist right now in the 48 states, compared to places you can charge an EV?

xeromal 6y ago
Another bonus of having an EV is charging in your own home. You end up with a full tank every night.
- pengaru 6y ago
  Yeah, it's silly to compare. BEV charging infrastructure is trivially expanded and piggybacked on an already ubiquitous power grid. You still need big trucks constantly hauling liquid hydrogen around for the fuel cell option...
  - xeromal 6y ago
    I've always considered electric charging to be similar to an interface. You can change out the back end without the consumer having to do anything. You consume electricity but it could be nuclear, wind, coal, or pig shit.
    - pengaru 6y ago
      It is pretty close to ideal. It doesn't even poison the groundwater when the pipes break.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Unless you don't have a home...if you live in any dense area in an apartment, forget about it.
  - xeromal 6y ago
    I actually live in a condo complex with 300 units and I get by. I just charge at the local library for free like once a week or at work.

zaroth 6y ago

For those wondering this is a Hydrogen fuel cell car, only available for sale in CA because that’s the only place you can fill it. It appears they sold about 270 units in the US last year.

clouddrover 6y ago
> only available for sale in CA No, you can buy it in Korea and Europe as well. Europe and China are the most important markets for EVs. Hyundai isn't making many Nexos yet though.
burlesona 6y ago
One parks on my street in SF. It looks pretty sweet. :)

twblalock 6y ago

I don't think very many people would cross-shop a hydrogen-powered Hyundai and a Tesla Model S.

bobsil1 6y ago

The Bay Area H2 shortage was fun, as in schedule your refueling between 1 and 5 am to have any chance of getting a half tank, or wait an hour in line by day.

jakswa 6y ago

Doesn't that thing get like 50-something MPGe? The Teslas are more than twice as efficient.

ogre_codes 6y ago

I'm not sure why you'd refer to this as an EV when the manufacturer doesn't. As far as I'm concerned it's not an EV unless I can plug it into a solar panel and charge it.

bagacrap 6y ago

The website for that car points out that it can get from San Francisco to LA on one tank but that's blatantly false unless you start and finish at the edges of those metroplexes while driving extremely efficiently, with no detours or a/c.

kanox 6y ago

As far as I know hydrogen is currently mostly derived from fossil fuels. Electrolysis would be possible but it's expensive and still less energy efficient than a pure battery-electric vehicle. People are willing to pay a premium for electric cars because they're greener. This DOES NOT APPLY to hydrogen fuel cell cars.

Hypx 6y ago
Electrolysis is much cheaper than in the past. Nearly all serious hydrogen related proposals involves electrolysis.