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:( Then I have at least two question: 1) how much proof should I collect that someone is a nazi before I punch them? 2) how much should I believe other's peopl

by afiori 6y ago

:( Then I have at least two question: 1) how much proof should I collect that someone is a nazi before I punch them? 2) how much should I believe other's people claim that someone is a nazi? Or is it a matter of court? is it a crime to be a nazi or is it simply a punchable offense? Is there an official agency that labels nazis? Or maybe it is a matter of activism, I can punch them while they are declaring nazi ideologies but not in their off-time. What do I do if they change the name of their ideology? Is there a continuum between nazi and non-nazi? should the punch also have a continuum or is there a cut-off point? Also how many punches is being a nazi worth? This last one is relevant after a dozen or so if they are still a nazi my hand is going to hurt... or maybe... do I become a nazi if I stop punching nazis? I in part apologize for the condescending tone. But I consider this very important. I am not against making nazism illegal[1] but you are literally proposing violence as a completely normal form of advocacy. To me you are literally the most dangerous person in term of risk of an authoritarian regime. Again, you are literally saying that violence against political opponents, and not rule of laws, is the obviously correct and moral choice. [1] it is so in Germany and it makes sense PS: I admit I have discarded at least another comparatively more reasonable option. You might mean to say that puching nazis is a form of civil disobedience; as a form of activism to say that nazism should be made illegal. This is slightly less nightmarish, but still I don't understan how _starting_ violence in the streets became the moderate option.

staticassertion 6y ago
I think it's stupid as hell to have to convince anyone that nazis are worth punching, but whatever, I'll give you one response and leave it. 1) IDK, start with anyone who says they're a nazi. There are tons of people who are openly fascist, white supremacists. No need to worry about grey lines, plenty of punching to go around. If you really want to push the boundaries, go for people who are openly hateful towards minority groups - it's usually not subtle. Punch away, totally ethical. 2) Up to you, it's your punch. > Is there a continuum between nazi and non-nazi? Sure but who cares? There may be a continuum but there's also huge parts of the spectrum that are extremely clear cut. Hitler falls in the continuum of nazis, and it's hardly a grey area simply by virtue of being gradient. > Also how many punches is being a nazi worth? IDK, depends on the nazi, and how many punches it takes to accomplish what you set out to do. > do I become a nazi if I stop punching nazis? Again, your call. It's really weird to me that you have such a hard time with this. You position this like there's tons of moral ambiguity, but I find it extremely concerning that you have a hard time determining who is and is not a nazi. The people who run around with swastikas and want to kill minority groups? They're the nazis buddy, don't worry about whatever weird grey area you've got concocted. When in doubt, feel free not to punch - it's that easy! When they're definitely a nazi, as so many are, and so obviously so, do your thing! > To me you are literally the most dangerous person in term of risk of an authoritarian regime. Weird, to me it's the nazis, since like, they advocate for fascism and genocide. Whereas I just feel it's ethical to punch genocidal fascists. Seems like one of us should be a lot scarier than the other Anyway, I'm sorry you have such a weak ethical compass that somehow "nazis are bad" is a big deep scary question for you. P.S. If you think the people punching nazis started the violence, I'd recommend reading up!
- bhupy 6y ago
  Upon punching said Nazi, if you were charged with felony assault, do you see that as a failure of the justice system? > IDK, depends on the nazi, and how many punches it takes to accomplish what you set out to do. At the risk of reading too much between the lines...if it takes enough punches to kill a Nazi, are you advocating for murdering a Nazi?
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    It was not subtext for murder, no. I wasn't planning to reply to subsequent comments but that does feel worth pointing out. Assault is assault, I don't see why it would be legal to punch someone.
- amksojaa 6y ago
  How old are you?
- deleted 6y ago
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by afiori 6y ago

staticassertion 6y ago

I think it's stupid as hell to have to convince anyone that nazis are worth punching, but whatever, I'll give you one response and leave it. 1) IDK, start with anyone who says they're a nazi. There are tons of people who are openly fascist, white supremacists. No need to worry about grey lines, plenty of punching to go around. If you really want to push the boundaries, go for people who are openly hateful towards minority groups - it's usually not subtle. Punch away, totally ethical. 2) Up to you, it's your punch. > Is there a continuum between nazi and non-nazi? Sure but who cares? There may be a continuum but there's also huge parts of the spectrum that are extremely clear cut. Hitler falls in the continuum of nazis, and it's hardly a grey area simply by virtue of being gradient. > Also how many punches is being a nazi worth? IDK, depends on the nazi, and how many punches it takes to accomplish what you set out to do. > do I become a nazi if I stop punching nazis? Again, your call. It's really weird to me that you have such a hard time with this. You position this like there's tons of moral ambiguity, but I find it extremely concerning that you have a hard time determining who is and is not a nazi. The people who run around with swastikas and want to kill minority groups? They're the nazis buddy, don't worry about whatever weird grey area you've got concocted. When in doubt, feel free not to punch - it's that easy! When they're definitely a nazi, as so many are, and so obviously so, do your thing! > To me you are literally the most dangerous person in term of risk of an authoritarian regime. Weird, to me it's the nazis, since like, they advocate for fascism and genocide. Whereas I just feel it's ethical to punch genocidal fascists. Seems like one of us should be a lot scarier than the other Anyway, I'm sorry you have such a weak ethical compass that somehow "nazis are bad" is a big deep scary question for you. P.S. If you think the people punching nazis started the violence, I'd recommend reading up!

bhupy 6y ago
Upon punching said Nazi, if you were charged with felony assault, do you see that as a failure of the justice system? > IDK, depends on the nazi, and how many punches it takes to accomplish what you set out to do. At the risk of reading too much between the lines...if it takes enough punches to kill a Nazi, are you advocating for murdering a Nazi?
- staticassertion 6y ago
  It was not subtext for murder, no. I wasn't planning to reply to subsequent comments but that does feel worth pointing out. Assault is assault, I don't see why it would be legal to punch someone.
amksojaa 6y ago
How old are you?
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