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Looks to be a tech issue related to the Sprint merger. That is the current suggestion: (reposted from elsewhere in this thread: https://puck.nether.net/piperma

by mlacks 6y ago

Looks to be a tech issue related to the Sprint merger. That is the current suggestion: (reposted from elsewhere in this thread: https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2020-June/013124.html https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2020-June/013124.h... This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
If true that would be interesting. Is the merger approval signed, sealed and irreversible?
- bingdig 6y ago
  Not irreversible (but the DOJ rarely breaks up already merged companies due to the difficulty of "unscrambling the eggs")! This event could create a reason to block the merger ex post, especially given last week's news that DISH may not buy Boost Mobile from T-Mobile, which was a key provision of the merger to reduce its anti-competitive effects.
  - Andrex 6y ago
    "So... you're telling me there's a chance [the merger won't happen]?" -Lloyd, Dumb and Dumber
  - SllX 6y ago
    Well, hopefully it doesn't cause reason to block the merger ex post. Disclosure upfront, I'm nothing more than a satisfied T-Mobile customer that switched away a couple of years ago from AT&T. No other interests in this race. Sprint was a shambling zombie, and any public policy measure that could be undertaken to make Sprint something other than a shambling zombie, and in particular, into a viable competitor would have rewarded Sprint for well, not being competitive. Out of the four major carriers we used to have, we had 2.5 well capitalized competitors with large customer bases and Sprint, a shambling zombie. T-Mobile put together an offer, tendered it to Sprint, and it was accepted, and out of the many ways that Sprint could have been gobbled up by one of its larger and better competitors, T-Mobile serving as daddy to Sprint's mommy was about the best outcome you could have gotten. This puts their customer base, assuming the Sprint customers stay, at relatively equal footing with Verizon and AT&T, and more customers = increased cash flow, and increased cash flow keeps them operating in the black and hopefully with room to invest. I don't care if we have three or four or five major wireless carriers right now so long as I can be satisfied with one of them where I live and work. T-Mobile's "Uncarrier"-like lack of billing shenanigans was one of the things that put them over the edge when I decided to bite the bullet and switch carriers. Also, with StarLink and maybe other systems like it possibly coming online and into service in the next couple of years, I'm not at all convinced it's going to matter that we only have three major "cell carriers" going into the next decade. Let T-Mobile keep all its customers, all of the spectrum they acquired. They paid for it, and I expect them to put it to use on behalf of their customers.
eatbitseveryday 6y ago
Please try to not quote using code formatting: > This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today. Or "This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today." Or This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today. Edit: Note to use a single initial carrot > or surrounding quotes " or surrounding asterisks
- zymhan 6y ago
  Why?
  - jpollock 6y ago
    It's fixed line length, and results in a large portion of the comment being hidden off the right hand side on a mobile device.
  - ksec 6y ago
    Doesn't work very well on mobile.
- mlacks 6y ago
  Ok thanks. Sorry about that
Dirlewanger 6y ago
And Verizon's reason?
- Throwaway641a 6y ago
  Right. From the link quoted in the grandparent comment: > That's not going to esplain [sic] the other carriers' problems, of course, but...
- kelnos 6y ago
  Do we have confirmation that Verizon is actually having issues, or are people on Verizon trying to call T-Mobile customers, failing, and are blaming their own carrier, Verizon?
  - sjg007 6y ago
    I have a Tmobile MVNO and I can call Verizon users but not vice versa. I can also not call any Tmobile number. My wife has Verizon and can't call me but can call others except for Tmobile #s.
    - leesalminen 6y ago
      It sounds like the parent knows how to troubleshoot accurately :).
    - zwily 6y ago
      Exact same symptoms here.
  - thoraway1010 6y ago
    Verizon is fine - the stories saying verizon and ATT down are basically totally garbage.
kossTKR 6y ago
What does the Sprint merger have to do with Facebook Messenger in Europe and Instagrams direct message system being down? Overload because people go there or NSA updating a dragnet system? ;)
- noahtallen 6y ago
  Could be separate problems
  - kossTKR 6y ago
    True though i have never in the 10 years i have been on FB had problems with chats, so quite an incredible coincidence..
    - mynameisvlad 6y ago
      I get intermittent connectivity issues with Facebook's built in Messenger implementation all the time. After a few refreshes, it comes back.
      - kossTKR 6y ago
        Interesting, you must have worse infrastructure where you are. I have never had any problems in Scandinavia.
simplyaccont 6y ago
For today was scheduled first migration of chunk of Sprint users to TMobile. Probably something got "misconfigured" at mobile core that causes failures.

by mlacks 6y ago

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago

If true that would be interesting. Is the merger approval signed, sealed and irreversible?

bingdig 6y ago
Not irreversible (but the DOJ rarely breaks up already merged companies due to the difficulty of "unscrambling the eggs")! This event could create a reason to block the merger ex post, especially given last week's news that DISH may not buy Boost Mobile from T-Mobile, which was a key provision of the merger to reduce its anti-competitive effects.
- Andrex 6y ago
  "So... you're telling me there's a chance [the merger won't happen]?" -Lloyd, Dumb and Dumber
- SllX 6y ago
  Well, hopefully it doesn't cause reason to block the merger ex post. Disclosure upfront, I'm nothing more than a satisfied T-Mobile customer that switched away a couple of years ago from AT&T. No other interests in this race. Sprint was a shambling zombie, and any public policy measure that could be undertaken to make Sprint something other than a shambling zombie, and in particular, into a viable competitor would have rewarded Sprint for well, not being competitive. Out of the four major carriers we used to have, we had 2.5 well capitalized competitors with large customer bases and Sprint, a shambling zombie. T-Mobile put together an offer, tendered it to Sprint, and it was accepted, and out of the many ways that Sprint could have been gobbled up by one of its larger and better competitors, T-Mobile serving as daddy to Sprint's mommy was about the best outcome you could have gotten. This puts their customer base, assuming the Sprint customers stay, at relatively equal footing with Verizon and AT&T, and more customers = increased cash flow, and increased cash flow keeps them operating in the black and hopefully with room to invest. I don't care if we have three or four or five major wireless carriers right now so long as I can be satisfied with one of them where I live and work. T-Mobile's "Uncarrier"-like lack of billing shenanigans was one of the things that put them over the edge when I decided to bite the bullet and switch carriers. Also, with StarLink and maybe other systems like it possibly coming online and into service in the next couple of years, I'm not at all convinced it's going to matter that we only have three major "cell carriers" going into the next decade. Let T-Mobile keep all its customers, all of the spectrum they acquired. They paid for it, and I expect them to put it to use on behalf of their customers.

eatbitseveryday 6y ago

Please try to not quote using code formatting: > This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today. Or "This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today." Or This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to help merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's systems clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today. Edit: Note to use a single initial carrot > or surrounding quotes " or surrounding asterisks

zymhan 6y ago
Why?
- jpollock 6y ago
  It's fixed line length, and results in a large portion of the comment being hidden off the right hand side on a mobile device.
- ksec 6y ago
  Doesn't work very well on mobile.
mlacks 6y ago
Ok thanks. Sorry about that

Dirlewanger 6y ago

And Verizon's reason?

Throwaway641a 6y ago
Right. From the link quoted in the grandparent comment: > That's not going to esplain [sic] the other carriers' problems, of course, but...
kelnos 6y ago
Do we have confirmation that Verizon is actually having issues, or are people on Verizon trying to call T-Mobile customers, failing, and are blaming their own carrier, Verizon?
- sjg007 6y ago
  I have a Tmobile MVNO and I can call Verizon users but not vice versa. I can also not call any Tmobile number. My wife has Verizon and can't call me but can call others except for Tmobile #s.
  - leesalminen 6y ago
    It sounds like the parent knows how to troubleshoot accurately :).
  - zwily 6y ago
    Exact same symptoms here.
- thoraway1010 6y ago
  Verizon is fine - the stories saying verizon and ATT down are basically totally garbage.

kossTKR 6y ago

What does the Sprint merger have to do with Facebook Messenger in Europe and Instagrams direct message system being down? Overload because people go there or NSA updating a dragnet system? ;)

noahtallen 6y ago
Could be separate problems
- kossTKR 6y ago
  True though i have never in the 10 years i have been on FB had problems with chats, so quite an incredible coincidence..
  - mynameisvlad 6y ago
    I get intermittent connectivity issues with Facebook's built in Messenger implementation all the time. After a few refreshes, it comes back.
    - kossTKR 6y ago
      Interesting, you must have worse infrastructure where you are. I have never had any problems in Scandinavia.

simplyaccont 6y ago

For today was scheduled first migration of chunk of Sprint users to TMobile. Probably something got "misconfigured" at mobile core that causes failures.