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I agree on the vertical space thing. I would add that lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not clic

by elwes5 6y ago

I agree on the vertical space thing. I would add that lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not click on this? The one that is a real pain is the disappearing scroll bar. It is there. The space for it is used. But just gone until you hover over it. Then it is clunky to use in relation to all of the other windows controls. The rules for making a GUI were dead simple for MS in the 90s. I had them printed out on 1 sheet of paper and most of that was a couple of pictures.

vezycash 6y ago
>lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not click on this? Vs code. How many seconds does it take to figure out the active code tab?
sillywalk 6y ago
THIS. I still have to think when I look at the control center on my phone, uh.. moon == Do not disturb, and is it on or not?? The faux-3d let you know. I also wish there was text under the controls. I've resorted to turning on some of the contrast accessibility stuff to make it a little more usable. And don't even get me started on the hamburger menu.
Miraste 6y ago
I must use scrolling windows differently than you, because I haven't clicked and dragged a scroll bar probably for years. The only thing I need a scroll indicator for is to see how far I am down the page, which I only do when I'm actively scrolling. MacOS disappearing scrollbars (which do not waste space when inactive, but pop in over content when you scroll) are my ideal implementation.
- abrowne 6y ago
  I often like to know how long a page is when I'm not scrolling too.
- fomine3 6y ago
  I want to know current position and I still sometimes grab scrollbar and drag because it sometimes comfortable than scrolling a wheel.
- elwes5 6y ago
  My point is that it is terribly inconsistent. There are basically 4 ways now. You can see the scroll bar. The scroll bar is borderline invisible color wise to the background. Fade in out, some are over the text (which is annoying if you happen to be reading that bit and activate it). Fade in out space kept but the control is invisible. The fade in out has a second issue. Can I scroll? It suffers from the 'bellow the fold' problem of usability. As in there was more stuff on the page but I missed it. All because a paragraph break worked out just right.

by elwes5 6y ago

vezycash 6y ago

>lack of contrast between controls is very annoying. That 'flat' look is a pain. Can I or can I not click on this? Vs code. How many seconds does it take to figure out the active code tab?

sillywalk 6y ago

THIS. I still have to think when I look at the control center on my phone, uh.. moon == Do not disturb, and is it on or not?? The faux-3d let you know. I also wish there was text under the controls. I've resorted to turning on some of the contrast accessibility stuff to make it a little more usable. And don't even get me started on the hamburger menu.

Miraste 6y ago

I must use scrolling windows differently than you, because I haven't clicked and dragged a scroll bar probably for years. The only thing I need a scroll indicator for is to see how far I am down the page, which I only do when I'm actively scrolling. MacOS disappearing scrollbars (which do not waste space when inactive, but pop in over content when you scroll) are my ideal implementation.

abrowne 6y ago
I often like to know how long a page is when I'm not scrolling too.
fomine3 6y ago
I want to know current position and I still sometimes grab scrollbar and drag because it sometimes comfortable than scrolling a wheel.
elwes5 6y ago
My point is that it is terribly inconsistent. There are basically 4 ways now. You can see the scroll bar. The scroll bar is borderline invisible color wise to the background. Fade in out, some are over the text (which is annoying if you happen to be reading that bit and activate it). Fade in out space kept but the control is invisible. The fade in out has a second issue. Can I scroll? It suffers from the 'bellow the fold' problem of usability. As in there was more stuff on the page but I missed it. All because a paragraph break worked out just right.