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> It should be disarmed and turned into a purely defensive force. Why not do this with all militaries? Why is your country (assuming it's not the US) special?

fit2rule 6y ago
The USA is the #1 perpetrator of criminal atrocity and acts of war against other sovereign states today. By sheer statistics, it is the most important issue for citizens of the free world to address. >Why is your country (assuming it's not the US) special? Because actually, the USA has roped most of the Western states into complicity in its war crimes. It isn't Australia, clamouring for its bomb stocks to be replenished so that a core elite establishment can profit from Lockheed Martin or Boeing or Northrop Grumman or Raytheon stock boosts .. much as Australians might wish they could be invited to that party .. These are distinctly American companies and their grip on the war reigns MUST be wrestled from them. The fate of the world depends on it.
- throwaway_dcnt 6y ago
  This is clearly false considering the crimes Russia and China are committing against their own people and against the world at large. And for USA's war adventures, if anything it uses one of the most restrained (and confused) deployment of force against its enemies - trying to minimize civilian casualties even at a cost of american lives stands in stark contradiction to Russian deployment of force in chechnya and chinese ethnic cleansing war against the uighers. Has America made mistakes? Yes, ofcourse. But we tend to learn from them and try to take corrective actions (like closing gitmo and even withdrawing from conflict zones once it becomes clear that the well intentioned intervention has back fired. Almost universally though, upon such a departure, chaos prevails. In fact, even when we don't intervene, chaos prevails - examples include china's economic games in africa, russian war games in syria and the ethnic cleansing of muslims in burma. I believe (and you can believe what you want), that outside of the iraqi and afghan adventures, American forces are usually deployed for morally justifiable reasons and even the most heinous of atrocities committed as part of such deployments pale in comparison to historic and contemporary use of force by any dominant or super power. And we continue to learn from our mistakes.
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    Casting the US as a well-intentioned but endlessly stumbling military adventurer is naive at best and naked propaganda at worst. The US has been responsible - intentionally - for atrocities beyond any you mention here. A podcast you might be interested in, assuming you really believe everything you wrote and are operating in good faith: https://m.soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-13-the-always-stumbling-us-empire https://m.soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-13-the-always-st... What say you about Libya, where there are now open-air slave markets after the US intervened six years ago?
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      Americans have absolutely no awareness of the extent and magnitude of the crimes against humanity committed by US forces in countless illegal wars. It is literally too overwhelming for the average plebe to comprehend. Over TWO MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE have lost their lives in America's illegal war against Iraq. This is far, far worse than anything done in Crimea, so far. And, that is just one of 12 major military theatres in which America is committing war crimes, daily. It is utterly disgusting that American citizens have no idea the extent of the crimes committed in their name. https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/ https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/ http://airwars.org http://airwars.org
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    >> American forces are usually deployed for morally justifiable reasons and even the most heinous of atrocities committed as part of such deployments pale in comparison to historic and contemporary use of force by any dominant or super power. This is such a heinous and disgusting viewpoint. The Nazi's thought their exterminations were justifiable too, you know. The moment you start making excuses for crimes against humanity and war crimes, you have lost the moral argument, period. >>And we continue to learn from our mistakes. I don't think that's the case at all. What has happened is that the intelligence agencies have learned how to mask their military activities and distract the American public so they can get away with crimes against humanity with impunity. This is going to come back, in the end, to haunt the American public eventually. The millions of innocent deaths are not going un-counted by the rest of the world, even if Americans ignore it.

fit2rule 6y ago

The USA is the #1 perpetrator of criminal atrocity and acts of war against other sovereign states today. By sheer statistics, it is the most important issue for citizens of the free world to address. >Why is your country (assuming it's not the US) special? Because actually, the USA has roped most of the Western states into complicity in its war crimes. It isn't Australia, clamouring for its bomb stocks to be replenished so that a core elite establishment can profit from Lockheed Martin or Boeing or Northrop Grumman or Raytheon stock boosts .. much as Australians might wish they could be invited to that party .. These are distinctly American companies and their grip on the war reigns MUST be wrestled from them. The fate of the world depends on it.

throwaway_dcnt 6y ago
This is clearly false considering the crimes Russia and China are committing against their own people and against the world at large. And for USA's war adventures, if anything it uses one of the most restrained (and confused) deployment of force against its enemies - trying to minimize civilian casualties even at a cost of american lives stands in stark contradiction to Russian deployment of force in chechnya and chinese ethnic cleansing war against the uighers. Has America made mistakes? Yes, ofcourse. But we tend to learn from them and try to take corrective actions (like closing gitmo and even withdrawing from conflict zones once it becomes clear that the well intentioned intervention has back fired. Almost universally though, upon such a departure, chaos prevails. In fact, even when we don't intervene, chaos prevails - examples include china's economic games in africa, russian war games in syria and the ethnic cleansing of muslims in burma. I believe (and you can believe what you want), that outside of the iraqi and afghan adventures, American forces are usually deployed for morally justifiable reasons and even the most heinous of atrocities committed as part of such deployments pale in comparison to historic and contemporary use of force by any dominant or super power. And we continue to learn from our mistakes.
- ahelwer 6y ago
  Casting the US as a well-intentioned but endlessly stumbling military adventurer is naive at best and naked propaganda at worst. The US has been responsible - intentionally - for atrocities beyond any you mention here. A podcast you might be interested in, assuming you really believe everything you wrote and are operating in good faith: https://m.soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-13-the-always-stumbling-us-empire https://m.soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-13-the-always-st... What say you about Libya, where there are now open-air slave markets after the US intervened six years ago?
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    Americans have absolutely no awareness of the extent and magnitude of the crimes against humanity committed by US forces in countless illegal wars. It is literally too overwhelming for the average plebe to comprehend. Over TWO MILLION INNOCENT PEOPLE have lost their lives in America's illegal war against Iraq. This is far, far worse than anything done in Crimea, so far. And, that is just one of 12 major military theatres in which America is committing war crimes, daily. It is utterly disgusting that American citizens have no idea the extent of the crimes committed in their name. https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/ https://www.psr.org/blog/resource/body-count/ http://airwars.org http://airwars.org
- fit2rule 6y ago
  >> American forces are usually deployed for morally justifiable reasons and even the most heinous of atrocities committed as part of such deployments pale in comparison to historic and contemporary use of force by any dominant or super power. This is such a heinous and disgusting viewpoint. The Nazi's thought their exterminations were justifiable too, you know. The moment you start making excuses for crimes against humanity and war crimes, you have lost the moral argument, period. >>And we continue to learn from our mistakes. I don't think that's the case at all. What has happened is that the intelligence agencies have learned how to mask their military activities and distract the American public so they can get away with crimes against humanity with impunity. This is going to come back, in the end, to haunt the American public eventually. The millions of innocent deaths are not going un-counted by the rest of the world, even if Americans ignore it.