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Your opinion that the murder of innocent civilians and an attack on their children is a 'regrettable, mistake' is utterly abhorrent to anyone who has watched th

Your opinion that the murder of innocent civilians and an attack on their children is a 'regrettable, mistake' is utterly abhorrent to anyone who has watched that video and can clearly see, for themselves, that these people were absolutely NO threat to US forces in the area - who shouldn't have been there in the first damn place. Lied into a criminal war against Iraq, the American people are now complicit in the war crimes committed in their names. What is understandable, though indeed very regrettable, is the American public's general desire to not be held accountable for these crimes against humanity...

torstenvl 6y ago
> Your opinion that the murder... This is circular. Your argument that this is "murder" cannot proceed from an assumption of the same. > Your opinion... is utterly abhorrent to anyone who has watched that video... I don't think personal attacks are productive. Additionally, there are wide arrays of views on this video. Your argument in support of your view appears to be based on an assumption that it is widely held and then an appeal to popularity, so it is doubly fallacious. Try making your point without assuming that everyone already agrees with you. > can clearly see, for themselves, that these people were absolutely NO threat to US forces in the area This isn't apparent from the footage; in fact the audio clearly indicates otherwise. They believed they had arms including an RPG. In any case, that isn't the legal test. Even unclassified ROE materials are clear that national self-defense is not the only lawful basis for the use of force in jus in bello.
- fit2rule 6y ago
  The order to murder these people was given long before the camera lens was observable by those who murdered them. "They could have had a rocket launcher" is an agitprop straw man intentionally proffered in order to minimise the magnitude of the crime committed. I wonder why it is so important for you, personally, to minimise this criminal act?

torstenvl 6y ago

> Your opinion that the murder... This is circular. Your argument that this is "murder" cannot proceed from an assumption of the same. > Your opinion... is utterly abhorrent to anyone who has watched that video... I don't think personal attacks are productive. Additionally, there are wide arrays of views on this video. Your argument in support of your view appears to be based on an assumption that it is widely held and then an appeal to popularity, so it is doubly fallacious. Try making your point without assuming that everyone already agrees with you. > can clearly see, for themselves, that these people were absolutely NO threat to US forces in the area This isn't apparent from the footage; in fact the audio clearly indicates otherwise. They believed they had arms including an RPG. In any case, that isn't the legal test. Even unclassified ROE materials are clear that national self-defense is not the only lawful basis for the use of force in jus in bello.

fit2rule 6y ago
The order to murder these people was given long before the camera lens was observable by those who murdered them. "They could have had a rocket launcher" is an agitprop straw man intentionally proffered in order to minimise the magnitude of the crime committed. I wonder why it is so important for you, personally, to minimise this criminal act?