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This does not surprise me. Some CEOs are incredibly thin-skinned, they hire a bunch of people who usually got kicked out of the police after they harassed/beat

This does not surprise me. Some CEOs are incredibly thin-skinned, they hire a bunch of people who usually got kicked out of the police after they harassed/beat someone, and then self-destruct with their own personal army when they can't handle the heat (you will get criticised daily). Btw, something that was coincident with this (I believe) was the activist campaign against EBay...again, the number of executives who self-destruct when they see proof that they are bad at their job is significant (I wouldn't like to venture a guess at a proportion but I have seen this 10+ times). Just imo, the problem is always lack of oversight. Boards not really asking whether the executives are up to the job, fat expense accounts with lots of these ex-police nutjobs stalking people, it is just total madness. Companies become captured by these executives. (I used to know a guy who ran a relatively small fund but used to short sell frauds, mainly accounting as the guy used to be an accountant. He had to go to great lengths to hide what he was doing because the second a company found out, they would send people to wait outside his office/follow him/etc. and this is just a nobody guy running a small fund in a mid-tier financial city i.e. not London, or New York, or HK...I call these executives the Harvard Business School Al-Qaeda, truly dangerous people).

cma 6y ago
Tesla/Elon got away with what looks like swatting a former employee, and makes use of sketchy freelance sketchy private investigators.
- hogFeast 6y ago
  Elon is low integrity. I know he is popular here but he just seems like a pretty scummy guy. I know one of the biggest holders of Tesla, and they have said (publicly too, I believe) that he isn't an ethical guy but they still have a huge position (too big to probably sell now tbh)...a lot of wishful thinking with Musk.
- pengaru 6y ago
  And the fanboys are enthusiastically cheering his efforts to monopolize communications globally via Starlink. If we're going to be stuck with an overlord, he probably shouldn't be such a thin-skinned unscrupulous vindictive narcissist. Edit: Relevant article for the uninformed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  I remember there was a claim against a former employee at tesla. And of course companies have a lot of money and power that could be leveraged against an employee, but there are always two sides. It would be big news if tesla did something like that, can you point to a story about that?
  - arkades 6y ago
    As another poster included: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp?utm_source=url_link https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon... “ An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory. When the police confronted Tripp that evening, he was unarmed and in tears. He said he was terrified of Musk and suggested the billionaire might have called in the tip himself.”
    - Wolve 6y ago
      Just what? That's so messed up. I didn't realize situations like this actually happen. I'm shocked.
      - vkou 6y ago
        This has been discussed here in the past, but since it's Musk's (Who can do no wrong) word against some nobody's, it has never gotten much prominence.
        jacobush 6y ago
        It's very sad - if anything, his fans, should for at least pragmatic reasons keep him accountable, or he will self destruct before he can achieve the Mars Colony.
- jacobush 6y ago
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...
NotSammyHagar 6y ago
When you put it like that, it explains the security guy for hooli on silicon valley, played by Chris Williams, "Hoover". He's exactly that stereotype. And even on Devs the security guy was in that category.
- mercer 6y ago
  I did feel that both those shows still painted the leaders a bit too positively, in that they often didn't directly concern themselves with what their 'security guy' did, or isolate themselves from it. I suspect in practice they're much more aware and hands-on.
anon892143 6y ago
I thought Tesla was using a Stingray IMSI Catcher to intercept personal cellular communications of its "employees" in a small radius of the factory. I thought it was becoming common knowledge this is the case in many Silicon Valley campuses... https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employee-claims-theft-drugs-and-surveillance-at-gigafactory-2018-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employee-claims-the... https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/16408724/waymo-uber-lewandowski-travis-kalanick https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/16408724/waymo-uber-lewan... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-nuvia-lawsuit/apple-lawsuit-tests-if-an-employee-can-plan-rival-startup-while-on-payroll-idUSKBN1ZK16R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-nuvia-lawsuit/apple... I am pretty sure none of these people used their corporate issued cell phones... It wouldn't take much to get a nice Stingray and plant it at HQ...

cma 6y ago

Tesla/Elon got away with what looks like swatting a former employee, and makes use of sketchy freelance sketchy private investigators.

hogFeast 6y ago
Elon is low integrity. I know he is popular here but he just seems like a pretty scummy guy. I know one of the biggest holders of Tesla, and they have said (publicly too, I believe) that he isn't an ethical guy but they still have a huge position (too big to probably sell now tbh)...a lot of wishful thinking with Musk.
pengaru 6y ago
And the fanboys are enthusiastically cheering his efforts to monopolize communications globally via Starlink. If we're going to be stuck with an overlord, he probably shouldn't be such a thin-skinned unscrupulous vindictive narcissist. Edit: Relevant article for the uninformed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...
NotSammyHagar 6y ago
I remember there was a claim against a former employee at tesla. And of course companies have a lot of money and power that could be leveraged against an employee, but there are always two sides. It would be big news if tesla did something like that, can you point to a story about that?
- arkades 6y ago
  As another poster included: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp?utm_source=url_link https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon... “ An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory. When the police confronted Tripp that evening, he was unarmed and in tears. He said he was terrified of Musk and suggested the billionaire might have called in the tip himself.”
  - Wolve 6y ago
    Just what? That's so messed up. I didn't realize situations like this actually happen. I'm shocked.
    - vkou 6y ago
      This has been discussed here in the past, but since it's Musk's (Who can do no wrong) word against some nobody's, it has never gotten much prominence.
      - jacobush 6y ago
        It's very sad - if anything, his fans, should for at least pragmatic reasons keep him accountable, or he will self destruct before he can achieve the Mars Colony.
jacobush 6y ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...

NotSammyHagar 6y ago

When you put it like that, it explains the security guy for hooli on silicon valley, played by Chris Williams, "Hoover". He's exactly that stereotype. And even on Devs the security guy was in that category.

mercer 6y ago
I did feel that both those shows still painted the leaders a bit too positively, in that they often didn't directly concern themselves with what their 'security guy' did, or isolate themselves from it. I suspect in practice they're much more aware and hands-on.

anon892143 6y ago

I thought Tesla was using a Stingray IMSI Catcher to intercept personal cellular communications of its "employees" in a small radius of the factory. I thought it was becoming common knowledge this is the case in many Silicon Valley campuses... https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employee-claims-theft-drugs-and-surveillance-at-gigafactory-2018-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employee-claims-the... https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/16408724/waymo-uber-lewandowski-travis-kalanick https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/3/16408724/waymo-uber-lewan... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-nuvia-lawsuit/apple-lawsuit-tests-if-an-employee-can-plan-rival-startup-while-on-payroll-idUSKBN1ZK16R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-nuvia-lawsuit/apple... I am pretty sure none of these people used their corporate issued cell phones... It wouldn't take much to get a nice Stingray and plant it at HQ...